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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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so the first thing I can say on this

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week's episode the power cast is that my

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voice does not seem to be as challenged

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as last week now Kurt Collins who's our

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guest co-host this week did not hear

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last week's episode featuring Chris

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Garrett ah no the producer director

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writer of the Montauk chronicles at

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least not yet so he didn't hear my voice

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i phi sounded 20 years older as a result

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of the fact that my sinuses were clogged

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and that kind of thing and i've got to

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thinking here that if ET was among us

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why can't they do something about

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sinuses and teeth what's your take on

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that Kurt Collins well that's a good

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point you know while we in the news so

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we see that our Edgar Mitchell is is

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saying that the aliens have saved us

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from a nuclear apocalypse and I'm

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wondering about you know what about some

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of other problems or ingrown toenails

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the scientists or hound list migraines

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let's let's do something for health

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right is so peculiar the aliens want to

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take care of what global warming in the

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environment or say we should take care

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of it they don't really do anything we

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should control nuclear weapons but they

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don't do anything they say we should so

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you know we have this agreement with

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Iran which is very controversial but et

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is doing nothing about they just make

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these pronouncements but what about

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conventional day-to-day things like

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cancer so as we prepare to do this show

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I was listening in the morning with this

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press conference featuring former

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President Jimmy Carter who was suffering

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from melanoma a very severe form of

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cancer and he's describing his treatment

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process now the guy is over 90 years old

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he's lived a long and fruitful life

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whether you agree with his politics or

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not you know he's certainly live plenty

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he's had a good life so if this is what

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it is we understand it but the point

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being here is what is et doing about all

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that stuff they haven't told us how to

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control cancer

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told us how to fix teeth how to fix

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sinuses when they get clogged they say

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we should stop our nuclear weapons but

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they have no ideas about doing it

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what about global warming sounds to me

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Kurt Collins that et is useless well

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it's you know there are some good

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kindergarten lessons in there so you

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know if you just love that neighbor and

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that sort of thing that just but I'm not

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sure that we really need you know these

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cosmic overlords to tell us that I think

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you know most of us have would that

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figured out and doing it is another

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matter by the way where's Christopher

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O'Brien this week well Chris had an

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emergency to attend to he may join us

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later on in the episode that's why it

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Kurt Collins is here all right now Kurt

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I know that as you told me before we

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started you didn't hear the episode

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about the Montauk Project is that

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anything you've ever read about in terms

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of UFO investigation I really not heard

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it in connection with their with UFOs

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but it's just sort of the the the

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location and the mystery of it in its I

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you know it's really just spread I guess

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it's a probably rivals that the Dulce

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legend in in how how widely it's known

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even above the Philadelphia Experiment

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they're probably neck-and-neck I would

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think well the thing about it also is

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that the core of it is not incredible

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that the US military engaged in

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mind-control experiments all right

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that's already something that sounds

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credible whether it happened there or

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not we don't know we have the testimony

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of questionable witnesses but that is

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credible any kind of government

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involvement in doing some weird stuff we

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can believe that we don't believe our

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government I mean let's go back to the

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case that you have spent so many years

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investigating cash Landrum so was that

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object a test aircraft you see my point

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right there there are a lot of theories

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and there there have been so many

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strange things you know like you know

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not nothing anybody um wants to believe

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it can happen but you know there has

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been human experimentation so um you

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know I hate to think that we use in our

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own citizens is tests

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Jiggs but it has happened well obviously

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it's a matter of not showing respect for

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any individual but look do we shall

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respect to our soldiers if we pull them

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into a war for which there's no purpose

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oh that's a tough one um you know

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there's a there's a purpose where the we

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gosh where we acknowledge agree with it

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or I can support it but you know I think

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sometimes you know there's definitely

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the feeling that we are pawns of one

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sort or another but I think is the core

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of it how does one good evidence so for

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cash Landrum how do you prove that was

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some kind of test aircraft that may be

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some kind of experiment with nuclear

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propulsion well on these government

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projects there's one thing that that I

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just I think there's so many things that

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have been proven because there's got to

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be people to support them and you know

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there's got to be engineers and and in

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scientists involved and I think that

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there's there's you know it's like a

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tree that's got long roots you know you

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you should be able to track some of that

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down so you know that's that's why the

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things where you can find no evidence

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whatsoever it those those things I think

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are much less credible one of the things

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we're we're where you can track some

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hardware and least identify you know the

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fact that there was a helicopter that

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can be identified you know that's that's

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hopeful and with um and if you can talk

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to some known projects like you said the

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mind control the other mind control

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projects so maybe there's something you

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can track personnel you know there's you

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know we may be frustrated but you know

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at least if there's not even some dots

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to connect then then you have nothing to

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work with

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that's the difficult but don't you think

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after all these years evidence would be

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available I mean what value from an

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intelligence standpoint would some kind

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of test aircraft from 34 years ago have

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Oh the as evidence mm-hmm

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well there are there are cases where

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they've had test aircraft and it's

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especially you know in area 51

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and but usually there's there's some

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sort of you know generation from one

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project to another there's usually not

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something that's you know one type of

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thing this develops for one one mission

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you know you know well at this there was

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something there was a project around the

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time of cash land where they had put on

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these was the justices to take off this

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credible sport where it was a c-130 of

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the short takeoff and landing and you

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know there was pilot air I think in one

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crashed and but that technology it was

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it was kind of weird but the way they

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assembled it it was existing technology

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put together quickly for a specific

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purpose but it crashed and burned and

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one-off thing in that the mission that

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was intended for which is how hostage

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rescue didn't work out but it's what

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well it ties in to what I was saying

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earlier that that you could trace that

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to other projects you know we we have

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film of it and engineers and things so

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you know I think I don't it staggers my

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imagination to think that there are

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these projects that are just completely

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without a trace you know of a witness or

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any engineering whatsoever so those I

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don't know I think there's got to be

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something and when you can't find

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anything for a long time it makes me

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wonder if there's anything to it so

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there you go in a few months by the way

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we'll be joined by our favorite

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paranormal blogger himself red pill

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junky now as you know red pill and it's

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the topic that shall not be named we

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probably won't get back into that

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anymore I think we're sick of it as Curt

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fill the entire show so red pill we're

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gonna keep you busy okay I'm gonna ask

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this question because we have to last

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time you were on the show we were

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talking about the topic that shall not

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be named that you went to attend that

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shindig in Mexico City hmm now we'll get

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past this very quickly but obviously

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we're curious our listeners who may have

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not have followed the forum discussions

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after that we had you on we also had

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Richard Dolan on very briefly for about

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20 minutes looking at that whole episode

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and now of course you're on the show

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with a member of the Roswell slides

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research group I said that term what's

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your end term feeling at that whole

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thing oh boy well I guess that by now

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most of the UFO communities actively

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avoiding or

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is missing the whole the whole issue you

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know thanks in large part to court and

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the Rose we'll just research group and

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how quickly they managed to decipher the

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plaque our next to be a left alleged to

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Roswell mama which in the in turn out to

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be what we all initially thought which

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was common and the mummy of a child so I

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think that most of us decided to move on

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but some of the main player seems to be

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unwilling to leave that bandwagon you

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know may may nobles you know Jaime Mouse

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and who is still maintaining that the

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the people behind the Roswell the

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research group didn't actually manage to

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to prove conclusively that the book the

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body that they showed in these slides

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was the same mommy found by Ray Palmer

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in monk Montezuma palace you know and

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which was eventually then displayed at

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the mess aware the museum no he still

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claiming that now no there's there's

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some inconsistencies there are some

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physical differences the the body in the

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witness stand

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you know he was calling it a be witness

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to and it was lonely to be some sort of

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scientific again you know with mainly

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Mexican specialists so Mouse and was

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actually in the midst of organizing a

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new and event a sequel to that the

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witness the end of may see if he was

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calling it the witness to own life the

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first event the first show or expect all

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spectacle if you want to call it it was

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going to be

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three ignition freedom and depending of

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the amount of people who were going to

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know that we're going to attend it was

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going to be held in it's like a Medical

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Center here in Mexico so we have a very

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important medical center in the city and

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again he was going to try to show and

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the expert testimony of special disease

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was he was going to gather in order to

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show there were still many things to be

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so now son is what was going to organize

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a second event to be witness you know he

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was going to be witness to it was not

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going to be like the first one you know

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first of all it wasn't going to be a

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pay-per-view event she said it was going

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to be free of charge it wasn't going to

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be held out in an auditorium like last

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time it was going to be held in a

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cigarette Camino Medical Center which is

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a pretty important hospital you know

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also like Medical Center College here in

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Mexico City so there she was going to

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have like a panel with an expert she was

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going to gather in order to show how the

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slides you know Washington well if not

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an extraterrestrial

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at least a normal you know from the

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point of view what the things that he's

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experts you know managed to observe from

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the slides you know and he said that

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anyone who will rather wanted to debate

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on the bunk the slide was a free to come

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by you know so it was interesting to see

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what was going to happen but at the last

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minute he he didn't cancel he said he

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postponed it you know the experts

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actually ask him to postpone the event I

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think until September or October until

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they manage to review all the new

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evidence that has surfaced you know

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thanks to the work of there was research

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and other researchers you know the ones

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who would manage to find and be there

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for fo I a papers about the Ray Palmer's

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mommy it's not just SL Palmer Ray Palmer

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is an assistant but that's another story

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actually no because there is a ray

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palmer who is a character in the TV show

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arrow based on the atom which was a

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character that goes back to like the 50s

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and was based on the other ray palmer in

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the sense of the name the writer of the

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comic book borrow the name Ray Palmer

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but that's another story anyway let's

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not worry about that let's go

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so the point here is he's gonna stage a

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free event hopefully to give another

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spin on the situation and I think it was

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very smart not to bother doing that

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whatever excuse he presents yeah and she

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also managed to dodge that bullet of

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being prize reward he offered you know I

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think he offered $5,000 to anyone who

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managed to find a second photograph of

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the mummy and to people they claimed to

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do just that you know refused to to to

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give in and she didn't give them the

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week we have kurt collins as a guest

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co-host who filled in literally within

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minutes of my asking and that's amazing

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that he did that and we really

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appreciate it

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our guest is red pill junky a blogger on

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all things paranormal on 14 topics etc

607
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etc now before we go on even listening

608
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to this

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kurt collins you are a member of the

610
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rods low slides research group so you

611
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you're one of the people who exposed

612
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this whole mess what do you have to say

613
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,669
or ask red pill before we go on well I

614
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did listen to the show and heard about

615
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his experience in Mexico City and that

616
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was that was interesting to hear from

617
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from a perspective little audience

618
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member well really the the thing I'm

619
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gonna here's a question from Bern state

620
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which is you know he hears about the the

621
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opinion of the group that I worked on

622
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and you don't have to pull any punches

623
00:28:18,899 --> 00:28:15,789
because I'm here but he also has let's

624
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see let me read this directly if if the

625
00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:23,710
the team work with skeptics and and UFO

626
00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:25,960
proponents will even working together

627
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:28,299
from different backgrounds he said is

628
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this a good future direction for ufology

629
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:32,770
and do you think that it needs to be

630
00:28:39,779 --> 00:28:36,159
more interdisciplinary well I completely

631
00:28:42,899 --> 00:28:39,789
agree yes I think it was a very positive

632
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and development the fact that the

633
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:45,510
roswell research group was composed of

634
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people of let's say both sides of the

635
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argument among people who are an Pro UFO

636
00:29:01,020 --> 00:28:57,010
like for example Chris Rutkowski people

637
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:01,030
who are and what would say on a shame

638
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:03,670
is skeptic about this topic like Lance

639
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:05,890
movie but people who might be you know

640
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,290
in the radical Center like you yourself

641
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:10,960
card you know I think it's actually a

642
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:14,080
much more interesting attitude to take I

643
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:18,550
myself prepared to be maintained myself

644
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:21,970
in the excluded middle as as much as I'm

645
00:29:28,820 --> 00:29:25,120
able but yeah hopefully that kind of

646
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:28,830
momentum would be maintained and may be

647
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replicated and in dealing with other

648
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:35,980
other types of an other famous cases you

649
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:38,220
know maybe the left you know your

650
00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:41,110
particular area of expertise the cash

651
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:46,540
Landrum case of 1980 or maybe some

652
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:48,670
forest you know also from the eighties

653
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:52,840
you know we managed to get a team of

654
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people with different backgrounds

655
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different areas of expertise you know

656
00:30:01,530 --> 00:29:59,470
different professional different

657
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:01,540
disciplines that they could bring to the

658
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table and a different beauty and they

659
00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:09,790
managed to keep their egos in check you

660
00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:16,990
know I'm trying to it may be you know I

661
00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:19,180
think that that could be one of the most

662
00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:21,400
important things to happen to this field

663
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:24,790
in a long long time long and short of it

664
00:30:29,010 --> 00:30:26,770
Kurt are you still in touch with your

665
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:29,020
fellow Roswell slide study group members

666
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:31,330
the group was informal more of a

667
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,410
discussion group and yes we've gotten

668
00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:37,600
ourselves into something else have you

669
00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:39,700
heard about this this case the video

670
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from the homeland security from Puerto

671
00:30:46,770 --> 00:30:44,920
Rico explain this to our listeners

672
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:46,780
because they don't follow all this nor

673
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:48,340
do they follow necessarily forum

674
00:30:59,970 --> 00:30:53,710
discussions I wish they would the okay

675
00:31:01,920 --> 00:30:59,980
in April 2013 Homeland Security I I was

676
00:31:04,770 --> 00:31:01,930
originally thought to be a helicopter it

677
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:04,780
turned out to be a be a plane filmed an

678
00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:07,830
object moving over the the airport in

679
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:11,380
Puerto Rico the there was a video that

680
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:13,990
was that was released and almost a year

681
00:31:17,050 --> 00:31:14,450
light

682
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:17,060
there was real low quality and and

683
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:19,370
eventually a higher quality I guess I

684
00:31:23,650 --> 00:31:21,710
don't know if it was I guess my nature

685
00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:23,660
it has to be second generation as

686
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:25,220
opposed to the other one which was shot

687
00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:27,320
off a laptop screen so it was much much

688
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,390
clearer and there was a lot of confusion

689
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:32,000
about where it came from and things well

690
00:31:35,290 --> 00:31:34,490
it seemed to be over and done with you

691
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:35,300
know it was just one of these

692
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:37,130
flash-in-the-pan videos that come along

693
00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:39,530
well this this group called the

694
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:42,350
scientific coal coalition for ufology

695
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:45,950
has released this massive 160 one-page

696
00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:47,050
report

697
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:49,580
studying in great detail and i'll and

698
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:51,290
these people they I think they're

699
00:31:57,550 --> 00:31:53,630
exclusively made up of MUFON members but

700
00:31:59,020 --> 00:31:57,560
or not it's it's not a MUFON study as I

701
00:32:03,340 --> 00:31:59,030
understand it that came about because

702
00:32:05,860 --> 00:32:03,350
the the person that came forward with

703
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,870
the information required confidentiality

704
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:07,760
and that not be handled through an

705
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:10,130
organization so it's distraint sort of

706
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:14,090
thing but anyway they put it the Robert

707
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:17,930
Powell the he's is he I forget his title

708
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:19,850
that in MUFON it but I think he leads a

709
00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:22,640
scientific advisory board and and rich

710
00:32:29,730 --> 00:32:26,270
Hoffman who is the star team they're on

711
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:29,740
their Special Investigations Division

712
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:32,930
he's involved in that and Morgan Beale

713
00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:35,330
who is the well he's from Florida I

714
00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:37,070
think he was the state section director

715
00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:39,350
I'm not sure his exact title and several

716
00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:42,230
other people so working together they

717
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:44,120
had a radar expert they're looking at

718
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:45,650
all these different elements of the case

719
00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:48,050
and they came to the conclusion that

720
00:32:52,210 --> 00:32:49,880
it's something unexplained it kind of

721
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:52,220
looks like a you know black blob flying

722
00:32:56,620 --> 00:32:54,710
around and the airplane is that's

723
00:32:57,820 --> 00:32:56,630
tracking it is flying in a circle so

724
00:32:59,920 --> 00:32:57,830
it's kind of difficult to tell what the

725
00:33:03,550 --> 00:32:59,930
motion is but they say that this object

726
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:03,560
is independently powered it's it's shot

727
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:06,770
with a thermal camera and they said that

728
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:08,630
there's a heat signature of it and it's

729
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:10,130
it's you know it's hotter than the

730
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:12,290
surrounding area so it has to have some

731
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:15,230
internal power source so they're in oh

732
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:16,910
and then of course the most amazing

733
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:21,050
thing is at one point it seems to dive

734
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:23,810
into the ocean and travel beneath the

735
00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:26,030
water for some point and then then

736
00:33:29,879 --> 00:33:26,590
around

737
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:29,889
without losing speed and then splits

738
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:32,409
into two objects so whether this is some

739
00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:33,970
sort of plasma thing I'm not sure

740
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,860
exactly what they're suggesting but

741
00:33:40,110 --> 00:33:37,840
they're they're convinced that this is

742
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:40,120
all genuine and it's not camera

743
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:42,460
malfunction or a mirage or anything

744
00:33:47,129 --> 00:33:45,370
so there the report leaves it they're

745
00:33:49,289 --> 00:33:47,139
not saying it's it's alien but they're

746
00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:49,299
saying it's a genuine unexplained case

747
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:54,190
so some we have a new group with some of

748
00:33:59,399 --> 00:33:56,110
the members of the the Roswell spawns

749
00:34:02,999 --> 00:33:59,409
group or in this and and we we they've

750
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:03,009
invited people to examine it to verify

751
00:34:08,669 --> 00:34:05,470
the results to challenge them and if you

752
00:34:11,879 --> 00:34:08,679
know - - they don't want someone to just

753
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,889
to criticize it but they want someone to

754
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:14,560
submit a paper it that where their data

755
00:34:19,409 --> 00:34:17,290
can be compared to a challenging data so

756
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,419
it's very quickly here are you giving

757
00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:21,760
the group a name obviously you can't

758
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:23,790
refer to it as Roswell slides anymore

759
00:34:30,569 --> 00:34:27,419
the temporary name is porto rico

760
00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:30,579
research review but i'm not gonna have

761
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,940
that tattooed so so basically every

762
00:34:37,649 --> 00:34:35,919
project you take on assuming you take on

763
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:37,659
more projects will have its own unique

764
00:34:45,059 --> 00:34:42,399
name you know you know what this is you

765
00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:45,069
know this is almost as much of an

766
00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:47,740
accident as the first group was so and

767
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:49,780
by the way we are not the only people

768
00:34:52,859 --> 00:34:51,220
looking into this there's a lot of

769
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:52,869
individuals sort of work into this I

770
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,790
hear that there's some other other

771
00:35:01,440 --> 00:34:57,040
groups so you know I I don't know I

772
00:35:04,109 --> 00:35:01,450
don't know if the the RAS are G inspired

773
00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:04,119
any of this activity but you know I'm

774
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:05,800
glad that a lot of people are looking at

775
00:35:09,569 --> 00:35:07,240
this I mean there's some data to be

776
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:09,579
examined and you know the guys putting

777
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:11,470
this on they've put a lot of work in

778
00:35:17,099 --> 00:35:14,740
this and I I find some things that they

779
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:17,109
they they're claiming to be

780
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:19,720
controversial but you know they're there

781
00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:22,569
this this is by the way I think there's

782
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:25,150
no chances this is like a museum photo

783
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:27,550
this their film seems to actually be

784
00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:29,650
genuine and what they say they say now

785
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:30,940
when they're not the story and the

786
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:32,349
conclusions are right that's something

787
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:34,060
else but you know we have something

788
00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:37,089
tangible here to examine quickly

789
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:39,260
speaking here would you like to name any

790
00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:41,390
the other members of the group rather

791
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:46,900
not oh well yeah there's a Isaac coy

792
00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:50,630
UK researcher is he's really sort of

793
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:54,590
taken the lead in this and Chris

794
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:57,290
Bukowski is back for this we have some

795
00:36:02,910 --> 00:35:58,970
of our evil sceptics back we've got

796
00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:02,920
lance Moody and and Tim pretty

797
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:06,680
Jill's Fernandez is in this Jose Antonio

798
00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:10,400
Cara vodka but also some people that you

799
00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:12,230
might not expect and you know some of

800
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:14,360
those I'm not sure if I've actually got

801
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:17,000
to okay the name yet but there are some

802
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:20,800
members of MUFON there are there's

803
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:26,290
there's a famous photograph a geeks

804
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,210
expert with the background and in naval

805
00:36:34,990 --> 00:36:32,240
field who you would recognize but I

806
00:36:37,090 --> 00:36:35,000
don't want to use the name but I do I

807
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:37,100
say Bruce Maccabee but we have no Kurt

808
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Collins and we have red pill chunky with

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Gene and with Kurt as our guest co-host

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listening to the para cast the gold

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so is it Bruce Maccabee yes you see

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unfortunately we knew okay so you got a

917
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really stellar group of people there

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covering all viewpoints Kurt Collins

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yeah Miguel if you are you familiar with

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this case and what's the what's your

921
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:37,390
opinion of things I read something about

922
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:40,690
it on open minds and also on an article

923
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written by knife Mike Hanks of

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mysterious universe in which he mention

925
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is a beautiful group that seemed to have

926
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surface surface specifically to to

927
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:59,110
analyze this video yeah I think that one

928
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:02,560
of the things they try to see is whether

929
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:06,880
this was one of these new slimmer drones

930
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:09,190
that the Navy has in develop you know

931
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:12,790
flipper meaning that he's capable of

932
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:15,340
flying and also swimming underwater no

933
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:18,100
and apparently they discarded is

934
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:20,650
possibility for any further response

935
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:22,570
before we move on I hope that you can

936
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:24,030
get some of the guys from the

937
00:42:31,290 --> 00:42:26,470
investigation on the show to explain

938
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their position you know as I say if you

939
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:33,670
know we're we're looking at things as

940
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:36,190
sadly I'm lacking in the technical

941
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:38,290
skills but we we've got people packing

942
00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:42,070
up looking at the the individual frames

943
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:43,750
and everything there's a lot of complex

944
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:45,730
data because they really put a lot into

945
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:48,370
this trying to correlate it with radar

946
00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:51,130
and which you know we're not certain if

947
00:42:56,610 --> 00:42:53,830
the radar it matches what was what was

948
00:42:59,520 --> 00:42:56,620
seen and but there's there's a lot of

949
00:43:02,100 --> 00:42:59,530
data from this you know coordinates from

950
00:43:04,410 --> 00:43:02,110
this thermal camera so I think it's

951
00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:04,420
gonna be pretty interesting and you know

952
00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:07,120
I don't know if the outside world if

953
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:08,590
this is just gonna be something that the

954
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:10,660
UFO community is interested in but you

955
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:13,210
know it's it's um you know people want

956
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:15,610
scientific investigation and UFOs well

957
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:17,530
here's here's an instance where people

958
00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:19,450
are really trying to do that so you know

959
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:22,030
whether this rises or Falls it's you

960
00:43:26,970 --> 00:43:24,420
know I think it's a good investigation

961
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:26,980
well we look forward to further word on

962
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:29,320
it and yes we would be interested in

963
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:31,030
having other members of your

964
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:33,370
group on the para caste let's talk about

965
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:35,410
this off the air and find out who'd be

966
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:38,140
suitable maybe get a pro and con opinion

967
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:41,650
get a cross-section but this seems to be

968
00:43:46,770 --> 00:43:44,170
a very promising development in UFO

969
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:46,780
research which is rather than operate

970
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:48,580
under the normal structure of a group

971
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:51,370
you have an ad-hoc group its forms to

972
00:43:55,830 --> 00:43:53,410
investigate maybe one case or a series

973
00:44:00,810 --> 00:43:55,840
of cases and that's it you do your work

974
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:00,820
and you get on with your life and you

975
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:02,650
share everything with everyone through

976
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:06,610
reading online you know kids I did

977
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:08,770
things move a lot a lot faster in this

978
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:13,120
manner and in in the you know it's not

979
00:44:22,290 --> 00:44:18,570
well you remove one of the big stumbling

980
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:22,300
blocks which is conclusion first and

981
00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:24,730
then try to justify with data you know

982
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:27,460
with this the data being shared it leads

983
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:29,830
the investigation just as Miguel was

984
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:33,940
talking about earlier no I hear you any

985
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:35,890
further response to burnt States

986
00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:37,740
question before we move on

987
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:41,020
there was no I think that we've pretty

988
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,050
thoroughly covered that so I have a

989
00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:46,000
question amount for Miguel before we

990
00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:48,340
move on to something up I've noticed he

991
00:44:54,270 --> 00:44:52,390
describes themselves as a 40 in not

992
00:44:56,670 --> 00:44:54,280
everyone knows what that is and what's

993
00:45:00,240 --> 00:44:56,680
the difference between that and just

994
00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:00,250
being interested in UFOs well I think

995
00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:04,870
that being a labeling myself of support

996
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:10,360
and fortunate I think that maybe it will

997
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:13,030
agree with me that labels sometimes can

998
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,460
be so I know this guy's a skeptic oh

999
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:20,560
this guy is ideology so this guy is a

1000
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:22,510
crypto daughter you know these all these

1001
00:45:31,350 --> 00:45:26,050
labels sometimes are you know they're

1002
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:31,360
not put counterproductive so in that way

1003
00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:34,570
you know fortune is the only the best or

1004
00:45:42,810 --> 00:45:36,460
the most comfortable label for me

1005
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:42,820
because Liberty to research and write

1006
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:44,350
about not just

1007
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:47,680
of all votes many of the topics that my

1008
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:50,140
own personal opinion is are also deeply

1009
00:45:59,250 --> 00:45:52,450
linked to the UFO phenomenon like for

1010
00:46:03,900 --> 00:45:59,260
example a ESP remote viewing near-death

1011
00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:03,910
experiences I think probably right now

1012
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:06,580
even more popular in mainstream

1013
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:08,470
mainstream culture than Europe of

1014
00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:10,390
themselves I think that the last couple

1015
00:46:15,870 --> 00:46:13,060
of years have seen several best-selling

1016
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:15,880
books and dealing with near-death

1017
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:16,900
experience

1018
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:19,800
yeah so in my opinion near-death

1019
00:46:27,830 --> 00:46:23,440
experiences are right now more popular

1020
00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:27,840
in mainstream culture than UFOs you know

1021
00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:32,140
to give you an exam an example and talk

1022
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:35,080
to even Alexander's book which was

1023
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:38,290
published a couple of years ago what's

1024
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:41,740
the bestseller and I think that right

1025
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:46,030
now the average person is more

1026
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:48,250
interested in near-death experiences

1027
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:51,130
than UFOs and I think I can understand

1028
00:47:02,250 --> 00:46:56,680
that because in the end you know we all

1029
00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:02,260
are you know because if there is one

1030
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:03,940
thing certain in this world you know

1031
00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:06,130
like the old saying goes they stay on

1032
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:08,620
taxes you know fix that sooner or later

1033
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:12,690
we are going to cut two runs answer that

1034
00:47:27,930 --> 00:47:25,560
question you know like seeing all these

1035
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:27,940
phenomena and seeing where they

1036
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:31,890
interject and feel that those

1037
00:47:39,390 --> 00:47:35,920
interjections may open up new avenues in

1038
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:39,400
order to soul may be one of them or may

1039
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:42,370
be old and you know I think that it

1040
00:47:56,130 --> 00:47:51,280
places what these are things that we

1041
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:56,140
need to look deeper let me just tell our

1042
00:48:00,510 --> 00:47:57,790
listeners in case you're wondering

1043
00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:00,520
in terms of near-death experiences there

1044
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:04,030
is a TV show on one of the cable

1045
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:06,070
networks I just ended a season called

1046
00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:08,770
proof and it's produced by Kyra Sedgwick

1047
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,220
who you probably know is also the wife

1048
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:15,040
of Kevin Bacon so that's the five degree

1049
00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:17,050
that's a 1 degree separation as opposed

1050
00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:19,360
to 6 degrees in any case it stars

1051
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:23,830
Jennifer Beals as a heart surgeon who

1052
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:26,110
had a near-death experience when one of

1053
00:48:31,170 --> 00:48:27,900
her children died in an accident and

1054
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:31,180
then a lot of the show is where she

1055
00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:34,840
hooks up with this billionaire played by

1056
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:37,660
Matthew Modine who is dying of cancer

1057
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:41,140
and wants to know if we go on after

1058
00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:43,210
death so that's what the show is about

1059
00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:44,860
it's actually I thought it's a very good

1060
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:46,660
show and so if you catch it like on

1061
00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:49,420
Netflix or something or the reruns on

1062
00:48:54,060 --> 00:48:51,700
the cable TV networks I think it's TNT

1063
00:48:56,670 --> 00:48:54,070
you will I think enjoy it do you get

1064
00:49:05,570 --> 00:48:56,680
anything like that in Mexico Miguel do

1065
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:05,580
you get TNT or USA Network yes so yeah

1066
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:10,450
TNT it's one of my favorite channels

1067
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:12,970
although I must say you know I stopped

1068
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:18,190
watching TV regular years ago I may have

1069
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:24,850
to regain my time to watch TV now that

1070
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:27,850
the x-files are coming back well these

1071
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:32,250
for six weeks starting in January yeah

1072
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:36,490
it's I think that the short term is

1073
00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:38,970
going to benefit the x-files because

1074
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:42,280
with the old series you know the fact

1075
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:45,960
that it lasted so long it kind of like

1076
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:50,190
damaged the narrative you know that

1077
00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:52,630
especially when comes with it mythology

1078
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:55,720
become too complicated we see part of

1079
00:50:01,260 --> 00:49:58,450
the problem also is with a full TV

1080
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:01,270
season you've got to have 22 or 23 shows

1081
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:04,270
and that's very difficult to have 22 or

1082
00:50:09,810 --> 00:50:07,390
23 one-hour shows but the cable networks

1083
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:09,820
and now more the traditional TV networks

1084
00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:11,500
will have what's called a limited

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he's not a miniseries which is three or

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four episodes but say a miniseries of 10

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or 13 episodes that's what the cable

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networks do quite frequently in that way

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the shows around long enough for you to

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enjoy but doesn't stay around too long

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to run out its welcome because a lot of

1092
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shows when they try to do that and we

1093
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:34,390
can see the x-files you can't be

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original 22 or 23 times a year consider

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some of the best shows will people like

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Doctor Who

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what does a tender or thirteen shows a

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year something like that so some of the

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best shows have the shorter run seasons

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take those back to the whole thing and

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that may be one reason right there why

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00:51:01,080 --> 00:50:57,280
x-files just overstayed his welcome if

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00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:01,090
it had fewer episodes per year maybe it

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00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:04,180
would still be broadcast ran out of

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steam and that's why some series will

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and rather than just keep going year

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00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:13,090
after year they'll end at the top quit

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while they're ahead before they jump the

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shark which is where all the creativity

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is out the window and that goes back to

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00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:21,700
an old episode of happy days where

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00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:25,660
Fonzie jumped a shark that's how it

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comes I don't know where we started this

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1170
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it could be but we can all hear him so

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it's not a big problem but if it isn't

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quite high fidelity maybe it's

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upper-middle fidelity that's the reason

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we also have a second radio show called

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after the para cast which is like 30 to

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com so we're talking here and I kind of

1195
00:55:25,579 --> 00:55:22,920
segwayed into pop culture in a TV series

1196
00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:25,589
about the greater interest in life after

1197
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:27,270
death so since you raised the subject

1198
00:55:33,380 --> 00:55:30,329
red pill junky do you believe we go on

1199
00:55:38,839 --> 00:55:33,390
or is it all blackness after we as they

1200
00:55:42,140 --> 00:55:38,849
say give up the ghost well the most

1201
00:55:46,339 --> 00:55:42,150
honest answer is I don't know but I

1202
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:46,349
suspect that some part of our

1203
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:49,980
consciousness does survive physical

1204
00:55:56,660 --> 00:55:53,280
there and I think that there is a doctor

1205
00:55:59,599 --> 00:55:56,670
Sam Barney a recent medical professional

1206
00:56:04,730 --> 00:55:59,609
who has been conducted very interesting

1207
00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:04,740
research in these this matters and they

1208
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:07,830
have he has concluded that

1209
00:56:13,540 --> 00:56:11,400
at least or Ford minutes it can be

1210
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:13,550
scientifically established that

1211
00:56:21,350 --> 00:56:16,530
consciousness survives and physical

1212
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:21,360
there you know and after longer than

1213
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:24,119
that we really can't now you know we

1214
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,990
really can't you know if consciousness

1215
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:30,480
survives indefinitely

1216
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:34,110
you know we can't can't even use the

1217
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:37,970
fact that and you know that experiences

1218
00:56:44,540 --> 00:56:40,740
the existence of at eighteen you know

1219
00:56:48,250 --> 00:56:44,550
having a Kalon all that jazz but to me

1220
00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:48,260
at least it proves that the current

1221
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:52,740
materialistic paradigm that equates mind

1222
00:57:00,370 --> 00:56:56,940
with brain it needs to be updated you

1223
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:00,380
know it needs to be you know cast aside

1224
00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:04,190
and a new part and most rise from that

1225
00:57:07,940 --> 00:57:06,150
since you raised that I was thinking

1226
00:57:10,250 --> 00:57:07,950
here in terms of near-death experiences

1227
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:10,260
is also a TV show called stitchers on

1228
00:57:16,099 --> 00:57:13,020
ABC Family Network and they're what they

1229
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:16,109
do is they posit that the newly dead

1230
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:18,540
will for a time still have a slight

1231
00:57:24,740 --> 00:57:22,050
amount of brain activity so what they do

1232
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:24,750
is they stitch into that activity to try

1233
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:27,210
to recall the circumstances under which

1234
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:29,609
a person died and usually it's somebody

1235
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:32,490
who dies under tragic circumstances due

1236
00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:34,230
to a criminal act and that forms the

1237
00:57:38,810 --> 00:57:36,420
basis of the series not that any of this

1238
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,820
relates to fact but it's just the

1239
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,520
obsession with near-death experiences

1240
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:43,680
and like that now how though do we

1241
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:46,770
relate to any of that Miguel to the

1242
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:50,010
interest in UFOs and stuff like that are

1243
00:58:01,420 --> 00:57:58,410
as ET or spirit of the Dead I think that

1244
00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:01,430
this is a great segue in order to

1245
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:05,070
acknowledge the passing of an streamer

1246
00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:08,340
with lived rivers wife who sadly passed

1247
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:12,990
away last week and it's interesting to

1248
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:16,970
bring her up because and she managed to

1249
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:21,330
edit this book that was formed

1250
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:23,660
the thousands and thousands of letters

1251
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,290
that she and her husband received after

1252
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:31,440
a Whitley Strieber published his seminal

1253
00:58:36,050 --> 00:58:33,750
book communion you know and this book

1254
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:36,060
was the communion letters you know I

1255
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:39,720
think that she managed to read 14,000

1256
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:44,430
letter sent by people who claim to have

1257
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:47,910
had similar experiences than that of her

1258
00:58:57,620 --> 00:58:51,120
and her husband and one of the things

1259
00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:57,630
that she managed to she concluded and

1260
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:00,900
told her husband with you know that this

1261
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:03,780
experience you know the alleged alien

1262
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:07,890
abduction experience had something to do

1263
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:10,970
with what happened to us after we die

1264
00:59:16,970 --> 00:59:13,890
you know and I and I happen to agree

1265
00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:16,980
with that I think that what we not now

1266
00:59:24,590 --> 00:59:20,580
call the alien abduction experience it

1267
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:24,600
has in fact more to do with what happens

1268
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:28,140
to human beings after they cross the

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00:59:32,660 --> 00:59:28,680
realm

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00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:32,670
you know the pay of the after after the

1271
00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:36,480
ride then we scientists coming to this

1272
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:39,870
planet in a structure craft okay so

1273
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:41,730
you're saying here that an alien

1274
00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:45,000
so-called alien abduction is really akin

1275
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:47,880
to a near-death experience I think that

1276
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:50,990
the alien abduction experience shares

1277
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:54,260
several interesting similarities with

1278
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:57,450
near their experience and we need to

1279
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,700
look into those similarities you know

1280
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:01,920
I'm trying to find out why why they are

1281
01:00:07,460 --> 01:00:04,740
so so similar well can you be more

1282
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:07,470
specific about the similarities more

1283
01:00:13,660 --> 01:00:09,900
information about them well you know I

1284
01:00:17,660 --> 01:00:13,670
mean there there are several and

1285
01:00:20,780 --> 01:00:17,670
abductees who have claimed to see death

1286
01:00:23,780 --> 01:00:20,790
relatives you know inside the alleged

1287
01:00:27,850 --> 01:00:23,790
spacecraft you know right along with the

1288
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:27,860
Great Beings conducting the so-called

1289
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:30,930
medical examination which they are the

1290
01:00:35,290 --> 01:00:34,290
abductees submitted you know there's

1291
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:35,300
also you know

1292
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:39,920
claims of seeing things that look like

1293
01:00:46,750 --> 01:00:44,570
well almost angelic you know in

1294
01:00:50,350 --> 01:00:46,760
appearance in our theorem I'm reminding

1295
01:00:53,590 --> 01:00:50,360
the in the account of a Betty andreasson

1296
01:00:57,130 --> 01:00:53,600
you know and I think that one of the

1297
01:01:00,040 --> 01:00:57,140
things that she observed during one of

1298
01:01:01,450 --> 01:01:00,050
her abduction experiences was women or

1299
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:01,460
so

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01:01:08,110 --> 01:01:05,090
Nordic like humanoids they wearing you

1301
01:01:10,270 --> 01:01:08,120
know white robes and and without any

1302
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:10,280
shoes you know they were perfect you

1303
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:12,710
know and that is kind of the things that

1304
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:16,850
also is reported in near-death

1305
01:01:23,650 --> 01:01:20,720
experiences well he's being kind of like

1306
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:23,660
a thing of light that radiates you know

1307
01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:27,890
like unconditional love and then then

1308
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:30,950
there is the so-called life will be you

1309
01:01:36,070 --> 01:01:33,290
know in which the near-death experiencer

1310
01:01:39,460 --> 01:01:36,080
is given a choice on whether she wants

1311
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:39,470
to die or return back to his life she

1312
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:41,570
thought her life there is also this idea

1313
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:44,810
that the beings in the abduction

1314
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:47,770
experience and the near-death experience

1315
01:01:54,610 --> 01:01:52,070
communicate directly through to the

1316
01:01:58,540 --> 01:01:54,620
minds of the of the experiencer you know

1317
01:02:02,860 --> 01:01:58,550
like telepathy you know so I think these

1318
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:02,870
and other things that I probably am we

1319
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:07,520
are passing it you know to me you know

1320
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:11,050
point out that these kind of elements

1321
01:02:17,380 --> 01:02:15,140
can be also found in the psychedelic

1322
01:02:20,110 --> 01:02:17,390
experience you know the experiments

1323
01:02:24,790 --> 01:02:20,120
carried out by dr. Richard Strauss man

1324
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:24,800
in which he a patients certain amount of

1325
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:29,090
DMT and some of those patients claimed

1326
01:02:33,580 --> 01:02:31,130
to have had contact with non-human

1327
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:33,590
entities know one thing kind of bothers

1328
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:34,970
me here when we talk about near-death

1329
01:02:39,250 --> 01:02:37,040
experiences compared to a UFO abduction

1330
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,260
in a near-death experience the

1331
01:02:43,780 --> 01:02:40,880
assumption here is that the heart has

1332
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:43,790
stopped briefly mm-hmm because of

1333
01:02:49,009 --> 01:02:46,570
illness were for medically necessary

1334
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:49,019
reasons the heart stops

1335
01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:50,729
and that's when the experience occurs

1336
01:02:56,839 --> 01:02:53,880
now when there's a UFO abduction does

1337
01:02:59,419 --> 01:02:56,849
the heart stop does anyone know we only

1338
01:03:01,579 --> 01:02:59,429
had like 40 seconds to answer this

1339
01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:01,589
question so I'm gonna let it sit to our

1340
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:03,630
next segment mm-hmm but just kind of

1341
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:04,529
occurred to me when you were talking

1342
01:03:09,289 --> 01:03:07,049
about similarities and then of course

1343
01:03:11,509 --> 01:03:09,299
that raises the bigger question if we're

1344
01:03:14,749 --> 01:03:11,519
perceiving this experience in different

1345
01:03:16,759 --> 01:03:14,759
ways do they all have the same cause and

1346
01:03:19,370 --> 01:03:16,769
you see it from a different standpoint

1347
01:03:21,919 --> 01:03:19,380
depending on your physical state isn't

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Kirk Collins our guest co-hosts he's

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junky usually known as red pill junky in

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our forums is here and we're discussing

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near-death experiences so I mentioned

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this point Miguel and that is the heart

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stops for a near-death experience does

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it stop for an abduction well no there's

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we should also point out that sometimes

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near-death experiences happen when

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people are not on the brink of physical

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death you know maybe and they are in not

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playing that is about to crash or

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something you know and for a moment they

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experience some of the things of the

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knee or that experiences in order to

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build the life review not your big life

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flashing before your eyes or something

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like that and those people were not

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really in immediate danger so I think

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what we could conclude is that these

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experiences near that experience the

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psychedelic treat the alien abduction

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experience they happen a man known

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ordinary state of consciousness you see

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what I mean they're not happening in

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your normal waking consciousness you

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know it it happens in a different state

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you know maybe something akin to the

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state we reach when we are in a dreaming

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so can we assume then regardless of what

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this is that we're all dealing with

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interpretations of a single cause a

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single type of event perhaps you know

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and we should be careful here not to

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conclude yes of course you know this is

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the same phenomenon interpreted from a

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deeper cultural standpoint even though I

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suspect that is the case but you know I

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we should be mindful not to chow

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to the conclusions but then again I

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think we need these we more closely than

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we have have done it in the last five

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decades in which we have been so certain

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that UFOs and alien abductions

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all have an extraterrestrial origin and

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let's be honest we still don't have any

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solid evidence to confirm that well you

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01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,830
know some of these have one thing in

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common is the human brain it's some sort

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of brain adventure and I've never had a

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01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:47,240
I've never had abduction experience but

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I have had several instances of sleep

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paralysis some were just a sense of

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being frozen in the room and I unable to

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move and some of them kind of involved

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01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,230
other dreams but I never had that that

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sort of thing where something sinister

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was taking me away

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some people think that it's just a dream

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state but you know there's there it goes

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01:11:14,170 --> 01:11:10,430
far beyond that with some people I know

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boy what an area to explore we had one

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question that was uh it's almost about

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prophecy now this this depends on

1532
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:22,040
Miguel's knowledge of the event

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01:11:26,980 --> 01:11:24,410
wait ask I would like to know if Miguel

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is aware of Lauren Coleman's prediction

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01:11:33,540 --> 01:11:29,900
of a theater attack on August 5th there

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01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:33,550
was one in Antioch Tennessee and if so

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01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:37,550
if you've had opinions on it Lauren did

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sent me an email link into one of his

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01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:47,960
latest blog post his blog twilit

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:51,190
language and I'm sorry to say that I

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didn't find the time to read it but I

1542
01:11:59,980 --> 01:11:57,800
think that with Lauren it's not a

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01:12:03,910 --> 01:11:59,990
question of you know whether he has you

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know a Ouija board or some kind of like

1545
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:10,220
a scrying stone in order to to foresee

1546
01:12:17,010 --> 01:12:14,000
these events he I think that she's met a

1547
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,020
lot methodology involves analyzing

1548
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particles the pilot language you know

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the name game for the

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in which certain types of names or

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01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:30,070
numbers tend to repeat themselves in

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some kind of catastrophic events you

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know for example one of the example I

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could give is the diet factor I think

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01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:43,340
that he calls you you know in which by 8

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which is a French word derived from the

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poppy

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01:12:56,770 --> 01:12:54,050
you know the fairy Lord Pei pork and

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01:13:01,149 --> 01:12:56,780
it's also well obviously found in the

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01:13:04,930 --> 01:13:01,159
name of general Lafayette and so the

1561
01:13:08,590 --> 01:13:04,940
pyatt factor talks about how this this

1562
01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:08,600
main repeats itself in in certain types

1563
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:11,960
of you know catastrophes or disasters

1564
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:16,730
and that seems to point out to some kind

1565
01:13:23,979 --> 01:13:20,090
of very interesting I don't know pattern

1566
01:13:29,020 --> 01:13:23,989
in which it seems like the universe

1567
01:13:32,740 --> 01:13:29,030
likes to to use this kind of patterns

1568
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:32,750
and and numbers and maybe if you pay

1569
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:34,730
attention to those kind of patterns you

1570
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:39,170
may be able to to perceive or predict a

1571
01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:42,620
future event although I am skeptical in

1572
01:13:48,939 --> 01:13:45,230
which the level of accuracy you might

1573
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:48,949
have with that kind of methodology you

1574
01:13:53,850 --> 01:13:51,050
know I think that you may be able to see

1575
01:13:57,700 --> 01:13:53,860
also may be something is going to happen

1576
01:14:00,220 --> 01:13:57,710
involving these number or these date or

1577
01:14:01,780 --> 01:14:00,230
things name but I don't think you can't

1578
01:14:04,270 --> 01:14:01,790
you know accurately predict you know

1579
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:04,280
these these thing is going to happen on

1580
01:14:10,689 --> 01:14:08,000
so on so they from so on so in this year

1581
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:10,699
you know the mediums and stretched they

1582
01:14:16,330 --> 01:14:13,310
always accentuate the the hits and let

1583
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:16,340
you forget about the misses so I think

1584
01:14:20,649 --> 01:14:18,290
every system you know of course you know

1585
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:20,659
they're there they're fakes are I don't

1586
01:14:24,970 --> 01:14:22,610
know I wonder if this is all coincidence

1587
01:14:28,899 --> 01:14:24,980
you know it's definitely interesting I'm

1588
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:28,909
very open about the pass your

1589
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:32,510
recognition of certain individuals but I

1590
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:36,020
think that for most of all that and

1591
01:14:42,730 --> 01:14:39,290
recognition is very mild and they're

1592
01:14:44,980 --> 01:14:42,740
also you know also centers on very very

1593
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:44,990
trivial things that they may be album I

1594
01:14:51,870 --> 01:14:48,530
might have a dream in which I would see

1595
01:14:55,930 --> 01:14:51,880
you know certain something you know

1596
01:14:57,610 --> 01:14:55,940
someone we were wearing red shoes

1597
01:15:00,670 --> 01:14:57,620
walking down the street you know and

1598
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:00,680
maybe that the next day I would see you

1599
01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:03,110
know someone wearing that kind of shoes

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01:15:07,570 --> 01:15:05,030
you know oh well you know I had a pretty

1601
01:15:10,660 --> 01:15:07,580
recognize a dream but that doesn't mean

1602
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:10,670
I will be able to you know or see the

1603
01:15:13,870 --> 01:15:12,890
winning ticket of the lottery or

1604
01:15:16,810 --> 01:15:13,880
something like that

1605
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:16,820
although else I'm also very interested

1606
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:20,210
in how very dramatic advanced like for

1607
01:15:27,460 --> 01:15:24,130
example 9/11 seemed to have some kind of

1608
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,470
ripple effect in the collective

1609
01:15:32,710 --> 01:15:30,080
consciousness you know then there are

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experiments like me what's the name of

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this experiment well an experiment which

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they use and number generators you know

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their random number generators and they

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seem to be less random whenever

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something very big and very catastrophic

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is about to happen like for example in

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the 9/11 attacks in 2001 or the tsunami

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in 2004 so that seems to indicate that

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those kind of events people have some

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kind of ripple effect from the future

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affecting to our consciousness you know

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in the very moment prior to this event

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securing but I do a break here hope to

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talking here about precognitive events

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let's continue red pill so yeah so I'm

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01:21:14,970 --> 01:21:12,989
very interested in this kind of and

1721
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:14,980
phenomenon you know that seems to

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01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:18,010
indicate that human beings do have a

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natural capacity for precognition to

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foresee you to repent but this is a it

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seems to be an ability that if you don't

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nurture it from a very early age

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are you suggesting them that a lot of

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01:21:43,169 --> 01:21:41,230
people maybe most people are born with

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01:21:45,629 --> 01:21:43,179
these added abilities but because they

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01:21:47,970 --> 01:21:45,639
become as they say integrated with

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01:21:51,090 --> 01:21:47,980
society they don't really get a chance

1733
01:21:53,370 --> 01:21:51,100
to expand those capabilities or exercise

1734
01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:53,380
them because obviously parents won't

1735
01:21:56,729 --> 01:21:55,060
take it seriously unless they're

1736
01:21:59,129 --> 01:21:56,739
involved in this subject what is your

1737
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:59,139
position yeah I think that's that's

1738
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:00,960
exactly the case you know many parents

1739
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:04,000
freaked out and they tell the children

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01:22:09,810 --> 01:22:06,730
children you know do better knock that

1741
01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:09,820
out you know do better you know they cut

1742
01:22:13,140 --> 01:22:11,710
that out because you know people are

1743
01:22:15,899 --> 01:22:13,150
going to think that you're a freak or

1744
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:15,909
something you know and when children see

1745
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:19,210
the negative reaction from their family

1746
01:22:26,490 --> 01:22:21,670
members and their heroes you know they

1747
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:26,500
will get dissuaded from from experiment

1748
01:22:30,669 --> 01:22:29,650
with these latent abilities you know

1749
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:30,679
it's may

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if you are born in the type of culture

1751
01:22:39,660 --> 01:22:36,140
that would see that as a very natural

1752
01:22:42,939 --> 01:22:39,670
thing you know like maybe in some

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01:22:46,930 --> 01:22:42,949
contour gather gatherer tribe the

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Amazons in which people see that you

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know the natural talents of someone who

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01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:51,440
is called to become a shaman or

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01:22:57,790 --> 01:22:54,380
something you know maybe that is the

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01:23:00,959 --> 01:22:57,800
type of environment that would include

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01:23:05,490 --> 01:23:00,969
those kinds of abilities into their

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01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:05,500
social structure but in our current

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01:23:12,669 --> 01:23:07,850
naturalistic paradigm you know when you

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01:23:15,490 --> 01:23:12,679
if you say that you can you know listen

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01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:15,500
to other people's thoughts or maybe you

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01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:17,600
know foresee things that are going to

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01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:22,010
happen you know you may be in some kind

1766
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:24,530
of insane asylum that doesn't make it

1767
01:23:30,250 --> 01:23:27,730
easy doesn't make it encouraging exactly

1768
01:23:32,620 --> 01:23:30,260
there's a bunch of questions in our form

1769
01:23:34,780 --> 01:23:32,630
from burnt State you read one before

1770
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:34,790
anything relevant to what we're doing

1771
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,250
before we move on well you know a lot of

1772
01:23:41,290 --> 01:23:39,679
them are on UFOs but let me jump ahead

1773
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:41,300
here the one that that kind of connects

1774
01:23:46,689 --> 01:23:44,330
with what we've been talking about he's

1775
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:46,699
asking a question and I'm going to

1776
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shorten and reward this and hopefully do

1777
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,469
it justice he says that they're likely

1778
01:23:56,050 --> 01:23:53,840
multiple sources for whatever the UFO

1779
01:23:58,419 --> 01:23:56,060
phenomenon is if you were betting man

1780
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:58,429
what would you say is responsible for

1781
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:01,760
the majority of the good cases that eat

1782
01:24:07,419 --> 01:24:05,360
extra-terrestrial hypothesis dimensional

1783
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:07,429
crypto terrestrials the psychosocial

1784
01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:10,159
series theory or some other personal

1785
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:17,260
favorite theory i don't know i'm and i

1786
01:24:24,780 --> 01:24:21,760
think that the i was i listened to a

1787
01:24:27,370 --> 01:24:24,790
roundtable that my friend Greg Bishop

1788
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:27,380
had with Richards Oland

1789
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,690
and Peter Robinson incredible which they

1790
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:34,960
concluded and I have to agree that

1791
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:39,170
tossing out the eth will be a very

1792
01:24:44,379 --> 01:24:42,530
foolhardy thing to do ecology but at the

1793
01:24:48,129 --> 01:24:44,389
same time we

1794
01:24:51,069 --> 01:24:48,139
you should keep equal equal time to

1795
01:24:54,959 --> 01:24:51,079
other fringe er theories like for

1796
01:25:02,830 --> 01:24:54,969
example the idea that and this

1797
01:25:04,750 --> 01:25:02,840
phenomenon might be related with that I

1798
01:25:07,779 --> 01:25:04,760
don't know a bigger aspect of our

1799
01:25:10,689 --> 01:25:07,789
reality than we are able to perceive in

1800
01:25:14,679 --> 01:25:10,699
our normal state of consciousness yeah I

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01:25:17,979 --> 01:25:14,689
have come to the conclusion that the

1802
01:25:20,859 --> 01:25:17,989
possible nature of the UFO is going to

1803
01:25:25,299 --> 01:25:20,869
be probably a stranger and more complex

1804
01:25:27,429 --> 01:25:25,309
than we humans are currently able to to

1805
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:27,439
entertain you know I mean anything I

1806
01:25:31,959 --> 01:25:29,360
could conceive you know our time

1807
01:25:34,509 --> 01:25:31,969
travelers from the future from from some

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01:25:36,609 --> 01:25:34,519
other planet even when whenever they

1809
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:36,619
interact with with us you know they are

1810
01:25:41,889 --> 01:25:39,409
they look like Bigfoot ghosts or

1811
01:25:45,989 --> 01:25:41,899
something like that you know any of

1812
01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:45,999
those theories are going to be probably

1813
01:26:02,770 --> 01:25:50,630
incomplete and as misguided as you know

1814
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:02,780
the the theories they have or do you

1815
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:05,689
think this is really what we're talking

1816
01:26:11,049 --> 01:26:07,369
about earlier about possible brain

1817
01:26:12,699 --> 01:26:11,059
adventures do you uh and I think I know

1818
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,709
gene has talked about this kind of thing

1819
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:14,239
a lot and I think it's kind of long the

1820
01:26:19,899 --> 01:26:17,209
lines on police thinking that that that

1821
01:26:23,799 --> 01:26:19,909
much of what's actually reported is just

1822
01:26:25,239 --> 01:26:23,809
our human interpretation of events and

1823
01:26:27,250 --> 01:26:25,249
you know maybe we can only understand

1824
01:26:28,959 --> 01:26:27,260
things because you know maybe we've seen

1825
01:26:30,580 --> 01:26:28,969
a flying saucer movie and that that

1826
01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:30,590
gives us a tool to interpret the

1827
01:26:36,429 --> 01:26:32,510
experience you know what's your thoughts

1828
01:26:40,330 --> 01:26:36,439
on that sort of thing yeah or maybe the

1829
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:40,340
phenomenon itself chooses to adopt a

1830
01:26:49,179 --> 01:26:43,070
certain appearance in order to in order

1831
01:26:52,779 --> 01:26:49,189
to see more and palatable to a person

1832
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:52,789
given the current and social background

1833
01:26:57,970 --> 01:26:55,610
you know I mean I think that turns

1834
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:57,980
McKenna was the one who say

1835
01:27:04,630 --> 01:27:02,239
that the plants the plants intelligent

1836
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:04,640
you know the kind psilocybin and

1837
01:27:11,710 --> 01:27:08,110
ayahuasca choose to appear towards

1838
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:11,720
humans as an alien invasion so we

1839
01:27:16,060 --> 01:27:13,730
wouldn't freak out so about you know

1840
01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:16,070
norther not to scare us you know an

1841
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:20,870
alien invasion you know as malignant or

1842
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:22,970
dreadful as that might sound is

1843
01:27:28,090 --> 01:27:25,610
something but we in the end we could

1844
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,100
understand now also there are aliens

1845
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:30,080
they come from other planet that they

1846
01:27:35,140 --> 01:27:32,510
want to invade us or maybe you know use

1847
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:35,150
use us for experiments or whatever you

1848
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:38,570
know in the end that's that's a as

1849
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:40,250
dreadful as that might be

1850
01:27:47,229 --> 01:27:43,250
it still has a modicum of belief because

1851
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:47,239
we can wrap our minds around it but

1852
01:27:53,260 --> 01:27:50,150
maybe what it being the UFO phenomenon

1853
01:27:56,050 --> 01:27:53,270
involves something that we can't wrap

1854
01:27:58,479 --> 01:27:56,060
our heads around it you know what it's

1855
01:28:03,670 --> 01:27:58,489
it's something that it's completely

1856
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:03,680
outside our normal mental references you

1857
01:28:11,140 --> 01:28:08,050
know and it's so it has no option but

1858
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:11,150
communicate with us through metaphors

1859
01:28:19,810 --> 01:28:14,810
you know through cultural metaphors that

1860
01:28:23,229 --> 01:28:19,820
are at least make more sense to us you

1861
01:28:24,670 --> 01:28:23,239
know than the real thing I've mentioned

1862
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:24,680
this many times before this brings to

1863
01:28:31,540 --> 01:28:28,850
mind the movie contact based on the Carl

1864
01:28:35,340 --> 01:28:31,550
Sagan book Jodie Foster plays this radio

1865
01:28:37,180 --> 01:28:35,350
astronomer and supposedly she flies in a

1866
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:37,190
spaceship that doesn't seem to go

1867
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:40,250
anywhere but takes her supposedly in her

1868
01:28:45,940 --> 01:28:43,489
mind to another star system where she

1869
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:45,950
meets a being who looks like her dead

1870
01:28:51,250 --> 01:28:49,489
father and the being says to her I am

1871
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:51,260
presenting myself this way because you

1872
01:28:55,150 --> 01:28:53,090
wouldn't accept I'm not quoting it I'm

1873
01:28:58,300 --> 01:28:55,160
just paraphrasing it you wouldn't accept

1874
01:29:00,130 --> 01:28:58,310
my real appearance mmm-hmm and that goes

1875
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,140
very highly into what you're saying and

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very likely the producers of the film

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and the author of the book considered

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how an alien being would present

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themselves to us yeah another

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of mine in the movie AI not directed by

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Steven Spielberg in which you know here

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a spoiler alert because I'm going to

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fill something about the end of the

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movie the little Android BOTS

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you know David encounters the Blue Fairy

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which is nothing but a projection used

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by the super advanced AI from the future

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so they can communicate with Sheen

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without you know scaring him you know so

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they are using something extracted from

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his mind and he is like maintenace n't

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religious beliefs you know so they could

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interact with each other you know so

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they use this mythical being the Blue

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Fairy the same way that maybe an alien

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intelligence will appear just like you

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know maybe in the shape I don't know

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Jesus or something like that we'll

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continue with red pill junky please do

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in history have precious metals been

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more important certainly not in my 22

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years in the industry the dollar has

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lost over 90% of its value in the last

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60 years

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no fiat currency has ever survived the

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government printing presses ours is not

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immune the time is now to be proactive

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leave a legacy of wealth or debt for

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your family the choice is yours

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two two three seven extension one one

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six be proactive not reactive call

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hello this is for us my ellen guiley and

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard a paranormal radio

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our guess is red pill junky and our

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01:35:20,270 --> 01:35:18,690
guest co-host mr. Collins Chris O'Brien

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01:35:22,729 --> 01:35:20,280
we'll be back next week on gene

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01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:22,739
Steinberg and with exploring all sorts

1999
01:35:28,300 --> 01:35:26,130
of unusual ramifications about UFOs now

2000
01:35:30,350 --> 01:35:28,310
one of the issues here with

2001
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:30,360
understanding possible life in outer

2002
01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:33,570
space red pill and Curt is the fact that

2003
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:35,400
we're looking for Goldilocks tight

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01:35:40,850 --> 01:35:38,130
planets we're looking for extrasolar

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01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:40,860
planets that are somewhat similar to

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earth like a twin of Earth or a virtual

2007
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twin of Earth on the assumption that we

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01:35:51,020 --> 01:35:48,719
know life will originate on a planet

2009
01:35:52,820 --> 01:35:51,030
like Earth so let's look for a twin of

2010
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,830
Earth and perhaps we'll see life as we

2011
01:35:58,729 --> 01:35:55,199
know it but that doesn't fully define

2012
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:58,739
life does it no because maybe what we

2013
01:36:03,260 --> 01:36:01,199
should be looking for is life as we

2014
01:36:05,899 --> 01:36:03,270
don't know it you know this is something

2015
01:36:08,959 --> 01:36:05,909
that the scientist I think his name is

2016
01:36:11,899 --> 01:36:08,969
Paul Davis has been proclaiming you know

2017
01:36:17,419 --> 01:36:11,909
I have life is OK

2018
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:17,429
trying to get his colleagues to consider

2019
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:21,449
you know how we are so not only in a

2020
01:36:26,419 --> 01:36:24,090
prominent anthropomorphic point of view

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01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:26,429
but also from a you know carbon-based

2022
01:36:33,290 --> 01:36:28,650
point of view where we're always

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01:36:38,810 --> 01:36:33,300
considering and life from the few

2024
01:36:40,729 --> 01:36:38,820
examples well you know you Cosmo cause

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01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:40,739
my point of view 3 X few examples that

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01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:43,760
we have here in our planet and I

2027
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:47,520
remember recently reading this and his

2028
01:36:55,399 --> 01:36:50,489
news article you know about how they

2029
01:36:57,620 --> 01:36:55,409
managed to decode the DNA of octopuses

2030
01:37:00,590 --> 01:36:57,630
and they have concluded that you know

2031
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:00,600
for all intents and purposes octopuses

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01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:03,530
are aliens because their DNA has really

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01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,110
nothing whatsoever to do with other

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01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:10,080
species you know so that goes and proves

2035
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:14,130
how little we really know still about

2036
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:17,130
you know biology and the possibilities

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01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:19,679
of life and certainly because something

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01:37:23,300 --> 01:37:21,330
doesn't look human doesn't mean they're

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01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:23,310
not smart and doesn't mean that they

2040
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:25,810
couldn't somehow develop a technology

2041
01:37:30,150 --> 01:37:27,370
exactly you know octopuses are

2042
01:37:32,220 --> 01:37:30,160
incredibly smart you know they are dirty

2043
01:37:34,140 --> 01:37:32,230
trickster ish in their in their way of

2044
01:37:36,210 --> 01:37:34,150
thinking you know they're they can solve

2045
01:37:38,940 --> 01:37:36,220
puzzles you know they can communicate

2046
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:38,950
with each other using a completely

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01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:42,010
different method of communication using

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01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:44,800
body movements and call a change in

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01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:47,650
their followers you know so if they

2050
01:37:53,490 --> 01:37:50,260
could manage to develop some kind of

2051
01:37:59,300 --> 01:37:53,500
culture you know their language would be

2052
01:38:02,900 --> 01:37:59,310
something completely well alien to ours

2053
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:02,910
survey T comes here all bets are off

2054
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:07,170
yeah and it's interesting to think how

2055
01:38:16,410 --> 01:38:13,650
the alien abduction experience and the

2056
01:38:19,050 --> 01:38:16,420
experiences scream that the aliens are

2057
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,060
able to communicate as we communicate

2058
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:22,000
with them telepathically you know so

2059
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:25,690
that's you know each if support you know

2060
01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:28,810
about well how we see will be for an

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01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:32,710
alien species coming from God knows

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01:38:37,950 --> 01:38:34,570
where else you know to actually

2063
01:38:43,170 --> 01:38:37,960
communicate to beings who are table

2064
01:38:45,530 --> 01:38:43,180
probably less advanced to them than you

2065
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:45,540
know maybe ants will be to us you know

2066
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:48,010
imagine trying to communicate with an

2067
01:38:53,610 --> 01:38:51,070
earth how we would you would you be

2068
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would you try to leave em being magic

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there's a same by a philosopher who said

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that if a meal if a lion they could

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speak English wouldn't even you wouldn't

2072
01:39:06,930 --> 01:39:05,590
understand what he said anyway you know

2073
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:06,940
I'm thinking here as you were talking

2074
01:39:10,890 --> 01:39:09,310
about communicating with alien life or

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01:39:13,860 --> 01:39:10,900
perhaps alien life trying to communicate

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01:39:16,410 --> 01:39:13,870
with us we egotistically think they will

2077
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:16,420
try to communicate with humans of course

2078
01:39:20,910 --> 01:39:18,310
remember the movie Star Trek for the

2079
01:39:22,650 --> 01:39:20,920
voyage home where this alien craft was

2080
01:39:25,620 --> 01:39:22,660
trying to communicate with humpback

2081
01:39:28,140 --> 01:39:25,630
whales but the humpback whales during

2082
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:28,150
the 23rd century were extinct so they

2083
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:30,130
had to go back to the past it was kind

2084
01:39:33,690 --> 01:39:32,110
of a funny movie - it was directed by

2085
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:33,700
the later Leonard Nimoy as a matter of

2086
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:37,330
fact a funny movie - in trying to show

2087
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how someone from the future would

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act to the culture of the 20th century

2089
01:39:47,500 --> 01:39:45,530
and they had the kidnap to humpback

2090
01:39:51,339 --> 01:39:47,510
whales and bring him to the 23rd century

2091
01:39:54,129 --> 01:39:51,349
to basically save the planet Earth but

2092
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:54,139
to think of the thought here behind that

2093
01:39:58,959 --> 01:39:57,050
theory again so fascinating so

2094
01:40:02,979 --> 01:39:58,969
egotistical on the part of humans to

2095
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:02,989
think that et would look for us it might

2096
01:40:08,649 --> 01:40:05,119
look like fleas to them you know a

2097
01:40:09,969 --> 01:40:08,659
nuisance they might go see my dog they

2098
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:09,979
might come to see teddy bear

2099
01:40:17,850 --> 01:40:12,530
maybe teddy bears talking to et right

2100
01:40:21,549 --> 01:40:17,860
now it's wacky some more questions Kurt

2101
01:40:23,589 --> 01:40:21,559
sure and on some of these are UFO

2102
01:40:26,140 --> 01:40:23,599
specific but you know we you know feel

2103
01:40:28,330 --> 01:40:26,150
free to broaden this down well obviously

2104
01:40:30,819 --> 01:40:28,340
we're getting back into UFOs here so

2105
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:30,829
it's a good time yeah this one's from a

2106
01:40:36,429 --> 01:40:33,679
burn State he he starts off with the

2107
01:40:38,410 --> 01:40:36,439
premise here in your opinion what are

2108
01:40:40,449 --> 01:40:38,420
some viable options on how the youth

2109
01:40:43,029 --> 01:40:40,459
illogical field can move forward given

2110
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:43,039
that it almost 70 years of study has yet

2111
01:40:48,279 --> 01:40:45,530
to reveal any tangible answers about the

2112
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:48,289
big questions regarding all UFOs are or

2113
01:40:56,589 --> 01:40:53,090
what they come from hmm well I don't

2114
01:40:59,589 --> 01:40:56,599
know about trying to find answer I think

2115
01:41:04,719 --> 01:40:59,599
that one thing that the UFO community

2116
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:04,729
could try to do right now is trying to

2117
01:41:13,089 --> 01:41:08,719
build some kind of centralized database

2118
01:41:13,359 --> 01:41:13,099
of UFO information some kind of I don't

2119
01:41:31,359 --> 01:41:13,369
know

2120
01:41:35,799 --> 01:41:31,369
participate and it will in my view it

2121
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:35,809
will have to gather the pros and cons of

2122
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:40,159
every particular UFO case you know even

2123
01:41:44,859 --> 01:41:42,650
he even it may be some kind of like a

2124
01:41:47,429 --> 01:41:44,869
rating you know like a maybe like a

2125
01:41:53,370 --> 01:41:47,439
Rotten Tomatoes came up ratings for me

2126
01:42:00,569 --> 01:41:53,380
saying like Billy Meyers is 99% you know

2127
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:00,579
the 99% a hoax you know and maybe the

2128
01:42:08,739 --> 01:42:06,610
Socorro case is 90% you know a

2129
01:42:11,649 --> 01:42:08,749
legitimate case or something like that

2130
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:11,659
and that kind of today aside would have

2131
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:15,199
to have updated information you know so

2132
01:42:20,910 --> 01:42:18,800
any new in a available information from

2133
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:20,920
a given case who have to be you know

2134
01:42:27,310 --> 01:42:24,800
automatically updated to a page of that

2135
01:42:30,819 --> 01:42:27,320
cage you know so people would see what

2136
01:42:35,709 --> 01:42:30,829
what new has new development development

2137
01:42:38,049 --> 01:42:35,719
has transpired you know so it wouldn't

2138
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:38,059
keep you know like black and white

2139
01:42:42,939 --> 01:42:40,249
response you know these guys this case

2140
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:42,949
is false or these cases the chief you

2141
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:46,010
know it will give the the viewer or the

2142
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:49,280
reader you know the ability to form

2143
01:42:56,020 --> 01:42:52,130
their own conclusion but and I think

2144
01:42:58,419 --> 01:42:56,030
that a centralized database is something

2145
01:43:00,189 --> 01:42:58,429
that could be achieved right now you

2146
01:43:02,469 --> 01:43:00,199
know if someone was willing to you know

2147
01:43:05,979 --> 01:43:02,479
go through the airport build in such a

2148
01:43:09,339 --> 01:43:05,989
place and that's interesting I I think

2149
01:43:10,569 --> 01:43:09,349
there would be a battleground but it

2150
01:43:12,759 --> 01:43:10,579
would sure be interesting and and

2151
01:43:14,859 --> 01:43:12,769
there's one of the things that bugs me

2152
01:43:17,169 --> 01:43:14,869
is that so often things like you know

2153
01:43:19,719 --> 01:43:17,179
fake documents or videos will be

2154
01:43:21,759 --> 01:43:19,729
recycled to someone by someone who's new

2155
01:43:24,609 --> 01:43:21,769
that comes along and they always in this

2156
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:24,619
exciting like the that FBI memo about

2157
01:43:29,770 --> 01:43:27,920
the the the saucer in you know it's just

2158
01:43:32,140 --> 01:43:29,780
a retelling in the Aztec story thought

2159
01:43:35,259 --> 01:43:32,150
what the hot the hotel memo I think it's

2160
01:43:38,379 --> 01:43:35,269
called and you see there revived every

2161
01:43:40,839 --> 01:43:38,389
few months and and and oh I even see the

2162
01:43:43,179 --> 01:43:40,849
alien autopsy film from time to time

2163
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:43,189
it's like hey look at this and it's like

2164
01:43:46,750 --> 01:43:44,510
some of these things they should be

2165
01:43:48,910 --> 01:43:46,760
killed stone-cold dead and that it

2166
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:48,920
shouldn't bother anyone again and you

2167
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:50,570
know there might be a way that flag

2168
01:43:54,669 --> 01:43:51,920
though is just being something that

2169
01:43:55,209 --> 01:43:54,679
that's worthless and and go on to better

2170
01:43:58,810 --> 01:43:55,219
things

2171
01:44:02,250 --> 01:43:58,820
yeah I mean ideally if you google that

2172
01:44:04,150 --> 01:44:02,260
even caves you know the very first or

2173
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:04,160
second with

2174
01:44:10,510 --> 01:44:07,280
all to your google search will be that

2175
01:44:13,660 --> 01:44:10,520
centralized database you know so like

2176
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:13,670
Wikipedia it shouldn't be your only

2177
01:44:19,180 --> 01:44:16,010
source of information but it should be

2178
01:44:23,140 --> 01:44:19,190
your starting point so you wouldn't have

2179
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:23,150
to parse through all the available no

2180
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:26,890
manure that is online you know yeah

2181
01:44:34,270 --> 01:44:32,570
well talk about being frank we've got

2182
01:44:36,430 --> 01:44:34,280
more questions from listeners by the way

2183
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actually more questions in Brent state

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who's been on this show he's one of our

2185
01:44:43,390 --> 01:44:41,480
more prolific members of our forums that

2186
01:44:45,490 --> 01:44:43,400
formed out the power cast calm and a

2187
01:44:47,740 --> 01:44:45,500
reminder to but if you want to ask

2188
01:44:49,870 --> 01:44:47,750
question of a guest as soon as we know

2189
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:49,880
who that guest is we'll post a topic or

2190
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thread in the forms that form dr parra

2191
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cast calm you sign up and you can ask

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our guests questions that's how it goes

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our guest co-host is UFO researcher or

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14 researcher I will have to ask him

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2254
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here's Jane Steinberg we stopped got

2255
01:48:02,570 --> 01:48:00,000
around by the way to doing that special

2256
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contest where you listeners send us your

2257
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recording of the para cast however you

2258
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wish to do it and for those who we get

2259
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to use on the show we'll find some kind

2260
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:16,470
of award that's it red pill junky Miguel

2261
01:48:23,570 --> 01:48:19,440
is here with Kurt Collins we're getting

2262
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:23,580
more into UFOs now and if we can't even

2263
01:48:29,180 --> 01:48:27,360
think what the UFOs are really are what

2264
01:48:31,790 --> 01:48:29,190
the source might be what form they

2265
01:48:34,730 --> 01:48:31,800
really take red pill junky how can we

2266
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:34,740
possibly ask for disclosure it's

2267
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:37,280
interesting you know I was recently

2268
01:48:44,530 --> 01:48:40,560
talking with a friend of mine how in a

2269
01:48:48,110 --> 01:48:44,540
way UFOs are like a dark matter you know

2270
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,120
you see thesis is trying to study dark

2271
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:50,480
matter but the fact is that they can't

2272
01:48:58,220 --> 01:48:53,850
directly observe it or measure it they

2273
01:49:00,890 --> 01:48:58,230
can only measure their the gravitational

2274
01:49:03,530 --> 01:49:00,900
influence of dark matter in galaxies and

2275
01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:03,540
whatnot so maybe that is the approach

2276
01:49:08,780 --> 01:49:05,820
that we should have with UFOs you know

2277
01:49:10,460 --> 01:49:08,790
maybe not trying to measure them right

2278
01:49:13,370 --> 01:49:10,470
directly because let's be honest you

2279
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:13,380
know this is a very fickle phenomenon

2280
01:49:18,830 --> 01:49:16,650
you know the UFOs they don and sit still

2281
01:49:21,530 --> 01:49:18,840
you know they come and go and they

2282
01:49:24,710 --> 01:49:21,540
barely mean leave a trace the traces

2283
01:49:28,820 --> 01:49:24,720
they do leave are the effects they have

2284
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:28,830
on the persons who have observed it or

2285
01:49:34,910 --> 01:49:31,920
maybe experienced it in a close

2286
01:49:37,130 --> 01:49:34,920
encounter and also maybe that is one

2287
01:49:41,300 --> 01:49:37,140
approach that we should try to have and

2288
01:49:45,250 --> 01:49:41,310
see in the text but in a close encounter

2289
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:45,260
experience have had on witnesses maybe

2290
01:49:51,470 --> 01:49:48,960
immediately after the event maybe a week

2291
01:49:54,770 --> 01:49:51,480
after the event a year after the event

2292
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:54,780
and years after the event see how they

2293
01:49:58,169 --> 01:49:57,090
have progressed you know see how maybe

2294
01:50:03,779 --> 01:49:58,179
they have the

2295
01:50:07,979 --> 01:50:03,789
change their religious or spiritual

2296
01:50:12,109 --> 01:50:07,989
views after witnessing a UFO maybe they

2297
01:50:15,929 --> 01:50:12,119
even managed to develop some kind of a

2298
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:15,939
silly ability you know or maybe they

2299
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:19,570
were healed by the UFO sighting you know

2300
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:22,800
like that famous doctor X was

2301
01:50:29,009 --> 01:50:25,209
investigated by Jacques Vallee and I

2302
01:50:31,069 --> 01:50:29,019
mean Cher so that's one thing that maybe

2303
01:50:33,870 --> 01:50:31,079
we should look for about getting a

2304
01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:33,880
disclosure you are completely right Jean

2305
01:50:38,729 --> 01:50:36,729
I mean the problem I have with this

2306
01:50:41,459 --> 01:50:38,739
group the disclosure movement that they

2307
01:50:45,390 --> 01:50:41,469
are so convinced about what they think

2308
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:45,400
the UFOs are you know they so et is

2309
01:50:52,169 --> 01:50:49,689
coming from this planet using a metal

2310
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:52,179
spaceships and that is the kind of thing

2311
01:50:57,839 --> 01:50:54,159
they are demanding from the government

2312
01:51:01,500 --> 01:50:57,849
so if they don't get that as an answer

2313
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,510
they're going to cry cover up and say no

2314
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:03,760
no no this is they are giving us this

2315
01:51:09,569 --> 01:51:07,090
information we want the truth but what

2316
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:09,579
they are really saying is we want the

2317
01:51:14,009 --> 01:51:12,130
truth that we want to hear well this

2318
01:51:15,949 --> 01:51:14,019
raises a bigger question here is they

2319
01:51:17,100 --> 01:51:15,959
are assuming what the answer must be

2320
01:51:20,910 --> 01:51:17,110
mm-hmm

2321
01:51:22,770 --> 01:51:20,920
now if all this other stuff applies even

2322
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:22,780
if the government delivered the answer

2323
01:51:27,509 --> 01:51:24,729
it wouldn't be what they wanted or

2324
01:51:29,569 --> 01:51:27,519
expected yeah I mean if the government

2325
01:51:30,839 --> 01:51:29,579
said well there is something that

2326
01:51:33,620 --> 01:51:30,849
invades

2327
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:33,630
our airspace from time to time and

2328
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:36,159
sometimes maybe you know let's entertain

2329
01:51:41,100 --> 01:51:37,840
the possibility that sometimes the

2330
01:51:44,100 --> 01:51:41,110
phenomenom kidnaps you know citizens

2331
01:51:47,279 --> 01:51:44,110
from their bedrooms you know and we can

2332
01:51:48,959 --> 01:51:47,289
do nothing about it that is not

2333
01:51:51,989 --> 01:51:48,969
something that people are going to

2334
01:51:54,179 --> 01:51:51,999
accept you know that they think they are

2335
01:51:57,179 --> 01:51:54,189
so certain that the government is

2336
01:51:59,580 --> 01:51:57,189
actually in cahoots with the aliens and

2337
01:52:01,560 --> 01:51:59,590
they they have made deals with them you

2338
01:52:04,199 --> 01:52:01,570
know from the time of President

2339
01:52:07,259 --> 01:52:04,209
Eisenhower and whatnot you know that is

2340
01:52:11,399 --> 01:52:07,269
the mythology that has grown from the

2341
01:52:12,140 --> 01:52:11,409
nuts and bolts ETH side of ethology and

2342
01:52:15,650 --> 01:52:12,150
I

2343
01:52:19,850 --> 01:52:15,660
really don't see a way to get rid of it

2344
01:52:23,630 --> 01:52:19,860
well this whole focus on supposed soured

2345
01:52:26,570 --> 01:52:23,640
objects it goes back to the 1950s that

2346
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:26,580
was the original UFO theory and it looks

2347
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:28,110
like nobody's learned anything or at

2348
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:31,650
least most of the people who view UFOs

2349
01:52:37,010 --> 01:52:34,320
in terms of popular culture and the big

2350
01:52:41,330 --> 01:52:37,020
organizations investigating it might as

2351
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:41,340
well be living in 1952 yeah I think also

2352
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:44,850
people in the ancient aliens community

2353
01:52:52,150 --> 01:52:48,690
know they have this very big moving way

2354
01:52:56,030 --> 01:52:52,160
to think about Palio contact between

2355
01:52:58,970 --> 01:52:56,040
non-human entities and ancient man you

2356
01:53:01,120 --> 01:52:58,980
know they obviously had to come in some

2357
01:53:04,190 --> 01:53:01,130
kind of rockets you know using

2358
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:04,200
spacesuits like the ones that used by

2359
01:53:10,610 --> 01:53:08,250
NASA astronauts so what if they didn't

2360
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:10,620
require any of that so maybe what if

2361
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:13,890
they just needed those ancient ancestors

2362
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,110
you know to just get into some kind of

2363
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:19,440
altered states of consciousness so they

2364
01:53:25,100 --> 01:53:22,770
could have some kind of you know non

2365
01:53:27,260 --> 01:53:25,110
transmission well of course we look at

2366
01:53:29,570 --> 01:53:27,270
the other way of doing it in the movie

2367
01:53:32,710 --> 01:53:29,580
in the TV series based on Stargate where

2368
01:53:35,690 --> 01:53:32,720
we have this huge device that attaches

2369
01:53:37,580 --> 01:53:35,700
into a wormhole as connected at the

2370
01:53:40,010 --> 01:53:37,590
other end in another galaxy or another

2371
01:53:43,550 --> 01:53:40,020
star system by another similar device

2372
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:43,560
and you simply walk through it come out

2373
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,210
the other end a few seconds later and

2374
01:53:51,260 --> 01:53:47,520
you are elsewhere of course it obviously

2375
01:53:56,380 --> 01:53:51,270
makes for less wait time in reaching

2376
01:54:02,780 --> 01:54:00,320
these movie yeah I really like k-pax you

2377
01:54:05,630 --> 01:54:02,790
know but it's also spoiler alert you

2378
01:54:07,820 --> 01:54:05,640
know which is a lien entity prods you

2379
01:54:11,290 --> 01:54:07,830
know who also happens look very much

2380
01:54:14,060 --> 01:54:11,300
like a human and then to be Kevin Spacey

2381
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:14,070
exactly and then you learn that the

2382
01:54:18,620 --> 01:54:16,050
reason he looks like a human is because

2383
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:18,630
it's actually maybe you know that it

2384
01:54:23,690 --> 01:54:21,330
leaves like he leaves it open-ended but

2385
01:54:25,549 --> 01:54:23,700
it's like some kind of alien entity that

2386
01:54:28,609 --> 01:54:25,559
has taken hold or

2387
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,619
human host well we have another movie

2388
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:30,719
that did that of course I'm trying to

2389
01:54:36,620 --> 01:54:33,650
remember a Jeff Bridges the storm in

2390
01:54:39,379 --> 01:54:36,630
Starman it's not going down okay Oh

2391
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:39,389
Jeff Bridges comes here and he takes

2392
01:54:44,359 --> 01:54:42,090
over the body of this woman's dead

2393
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:44,369
husband I guess no I think in that movie

2394
01:54:49,310 --> 01:54:46,770
she actually grows a clone of that

2395
01:54:51,319 --> 01:54:49,320
husband I'm right you're you're correct

2396
01:54:53,899 --> 01:54:51,329
I hear ya in the movie he takes on a

2397
01:54:57,879 --> 01:54:53,909
form that's identical to her dead

2398
01:55:00,260 --> 01:54:57,889
husband mm-hmm but his groan maybe he

2399
01:55:02,180 --> 01:55:00,270
retrieves that from her memories of him

2400
01:55:04,430 --> 01:55:02,190
and that causes a lot of freaked out

2401
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:04,440
there yeah by the way they actually try

2402
01:55:09,290 --> 01:55:07,050
to do a TV series of story man but it

2403
01:55:10,939 --> 01:55:09,300
only lasted one season and the guy who

2404
01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:10,949
played the star man rather than getting

2405
01:55:15,740 --> 01:55:12,719
Jeff Bridges who doesn't do TV shows

2406
01:55:19,010 --> 01:55:15,750
they got the guy who played a pilot an

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airplane yeah you know I'm talking about

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yeah we couldn't take him seriously as

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et let's move on with the questions I

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went to breaking about a man and a half

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Kurt so why don't you ask another

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question that will have the answer on

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the other side oh well this is a big one

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so he'll need a moment to think about

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this and the question is from Berenstain

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and just who's your favorite UFO thinker

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living or dead and why and we'll let you

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go beyond UFO should you choose to do so

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well that's easy you know jack valley is

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like my number one beautiful guy you

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know and also because he's thinking goes

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and all that well that's a good start

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one I guess I don't think anybody else

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a long question from Kurt Collins of red

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pill junky you want to add to your

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02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:06,929
answer yeah that was a pitiful reply the

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02:02:12,649 --> 02:02:08,610
man is the legend and there's so much

2562
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:12,659
more to say another person I really

2563
02:02:18,919 --> 02:02:16,800
admire you know I've been a fan of his

2564
02:02:22,549 --> 02:02:18,929
since I was you know I really a little

2565
02:02:25,969 --> 02:02:22,559
kitties and the Spanish author and

2566
02:02:28,569 --> 02:02:25,979
investigator one four seven eating I'm

2567
02:02:32,779 --> 02:02:28,579
very sad that she is not as well known

2568
02:02:35,449 --> 02:02:32,789
by the english-speaking UFO community as

2569
02:02:37,850 --> 02:02:35,459
he shook up but right now I'm reading

2570
02:02:39,709 --> 02:02:37,860
one of his latest book which I'm finding

2571
02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:39,719
very interesting you know all these

2572
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:43,130
accounts of people who have apparently

2573
02:02:47,750 --> 02:02:46,050
contacted and dead relatives and not

2574
02:02:50,469 --> 02:02:47,760
even you know like some kind of vision

2575
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:50,479
or hallucination but actually you know

2576
02:02:56,810 --> 02:02:54,090
people who came back from the dead in a

2577
02:03:00,739 --> 02:02:56,820
physical body you know which is you know

2578
02:03:02,479 --> 02:03:00,749
very boring do you just briefly tell our

2579
02:03:04,339 --> 02:03:02,489
listeners more about this person they

2580
02:03:07,879 --> 02:03:04,349
never heard of him are his books

2581
02:03:12,049 --> 02:03:07,889
available in English I really don't know

2582
02:03:15,609 --> 02:03:12,059
I think that maybe she's caballo de Troy

2583
02:03:18,589 --> 02:03:15,619
yeah a Trojan horse book series maybe

2584
02:03:20,569 --> 02:03:18,599
available in English now but I would

2585
02:03:24,500 --> 02:03:20,579
have to check on and maybe you know get

2586
02:03:27,709 --> 02:03:24,510
back to you on the podcast and forum but

2587
02:03:30,919 --> 02:03:27,719
no I think that most of his his

2588
02:03:33,649 --> 02:03:30,929
bibliography is still only available in

2589
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:33,659
Spanish sadly you know para suggest you

2590
02:03:38,239 --> 02:03:36,090
write a blog article on that and get the

2591
02:03:40,790 --> 02:03:38,249
word out and maybe the demand of Ross

2592
02:03:42,979 --> 02:03:40,800
but you know I if I if I seen the man's

2593
02:03:44,209 --> 02:03:42,989
name I didn't recognize it so you know

2594
02:03:46,189 --> 02:03:44,219
definitely be more interested in

2595
02:03:48,169 --> 02:03:46,199
learning about his work there are a lot

2596
02:03:50,659 --> 02:03:48,179
of international researchers that whose

2597
02:03:52,819 --> 02:03:50,669
work has been ignored simply because of

2598
02:03:55,909 --> 02:03:52,829
the language barrier and you know we've

2599
02:04:00,229 --> 02:03:55,919
got tools to deal with that now so yes I

2600
02:04:03,429 --> 02:04:00,239
think Richard Dolan mentions he is

2601
02:04:06,319 --> 02:04:03,439
opposed and the national security state

2602
02:04:09,229 --> 02:04:06,329
series I think it is mentioned in both

2603
02:04:12,529 --> 02:04:09,239
books you know because kwang-ho 7 ETS

2604
02:04:13,799 --> 02:04:12,539
was very much involved in trying to this

2605
02:04:17,580 --> 02:04:13,809
clue

2606
02:04:20,879 --> 02:04:17,590
military reputable reports from the

2607
02:04:24,390 --> 02:04:20,889
Spanish government you know the Spanish

2608
02:04:27,959 --> 02:04:24,400
airports so in that regard you know that

2609
02:04:29,699 --> 02:04:27,969
was why Dolan a half image just to let

2610
02:04:31,020 --> 02:04:29,709
you know as we're doing this show we're

2611
02:04:34,049 --> 02:04:31,030
getting more and more questions for

2612
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:34,059
listeners I know there are some that you

2613
02:04:37,949 --> 02:04:35,920
haven't even checked yet in fact when

2614
02:04:40,259 --> 02:04:37,959
Kirk refreshes his browser he'll see

2615
02:04:44,100 --> 02:04:40,269
more yeah there's some part of the the

2616
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:44,110
processor there was one that boludo 392

2617
02:04:50,549 --> 02:04:48,090
it had asked that it was about the

2618
02:04:51,660 --> 02:04:50,559
investigating things and you kind of

2619
02:04:53,459 --> 02:04:51,670
answered that about the different

2620
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:53,469
approach and the fact that we needed to

2621
02:04:57,179 --> 02:04:55,689
look at things you know instead of

2622
02:04:59,580 --> 02:04:57,189
looking strictly for physical evidence

2623
02:05:02,069 --> 02:04:59,590
look you know for the the effects that

2624
02:05:04,529 --> 02:05:02,079
had on people and thinks so but his

2625
02:05:06,810 --> 02:05:04,539
other one was about and what was beyond

2626
02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:06,820
UFOs he says one is it does it seem

2627
02:05:11,069 --> 02:05:08,650
likely the earth is the center of so

2628
02:05:12,859 --> 02:05:11,079
many different types or of paranormal

2629
02:05:16,009 --> 02:05:12,869
activity in East he mentions

2630
02:05:19,319 --> 02:05:16,019
cryptozoology goes townships UFOs

2631
02:05:20,939 --> 02:05:19,329
psychic phenomena and so on and so I'm

2632
02:05:23,069 --> 02:05:20,949
wondering if he's asking if you think

2633
02:05:24,660 --> 02:05:23,079
that there's a common cause to that or

2634
02:05:26,729 --> 02:05:24,670
if it's just that we're a common

2635
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:26,739
audience well I think that people raises

2636
02:05:32,250 --> 02:05:28,800
a very good point that may be the only

2637
02:05:35,719 --> 02:05:32,260
commonly when all these allegedly

2638
02:05:39,449 --> 02:05:35,729
diverse phenomena is that they are all

2639
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:39,459
experienced by a human mind so you know

2640
02:05:47,549 --> 02:05:43,360
maybe human consciousness is the missing

2641
02:05:50,810 --> 02:05:47,559
link in the in the paranormal that we

2642
02:05:53,479 --> 02:05:50,820
have overlooked in our you know

2643
02:05:56,250 --> 02:05:53,489
obsession with trying to gather

2644
02:05:59,330 --> 02:05:56,260
objective physical evidence you know I

2645
02:06:02,100 --> 02:05:59,340
think that right now in science

2646
02:06:05,100 --> 02:06:02,110
consciousness is considered the hub

2647
02:06:08,629 --> 02:06:05,110
maybe the hardest problem to solve you

2648
02:06:11,819 --> 02:06:08,639
know I'm really skeptical that

2649
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:11,829
scientists will be able to explain it

2650
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:15,760
away only as an epiphenomenon caused by

2651
02:06:21,149 --> 02:06:18,400
the firings of our neurons you know

2652
02:06:25,709 --> 02:06:21,159
inside our brain so this is something

2653
02:06:26,669 --> 02:06:25,719
that we should try to investigate

2654
02:06:28,890 --> 02:06:26,679
further

2655
02:06:32,429 --> 02:06:28,900
should try it too in order to do our

2656
02:06:35,089 --> 02:06:32,439
best to to shift the current

2657
02:06:36,929 --> 02:06:35,099
materialistic paradigm in order to

2658
02:06:41,129 --> 02:06:36,939
entertain the possibility that

2659
02:06:45,779 --> 02:06:41,139
consciousness may be more fundamental to

2660
02:06:48,469 --> 02:06:45,789
a reality than maybe you know energy and

2661
02:06:54,810 --> 02:06:48,479
time space you know that maybe

2662
02:06:56,939 --> 02:06:54,820
consciousness is there you know I

2663
02:06:59,489 --> 02:06:56,949
sometimes wonder here whether anything

2664
02:07:02,179 --> 02:06:59,499
we see is real or whether we're all

2665
02:07:05,899 --> 02:07:02,189
creating some sort of collective reality

2666
02:07:09,060 --> 02:07:05,909
well in a way we are you know we are

2667
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observing things you know from our very

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limited and physical senses you know and

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we are creating our model of the world

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you know inside our heads or of how we

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things and we think things really are

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you know but that is really an illusion

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you know we think that the grass is

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green but that is only because the

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buttons that are bounced back from the

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grass and are grabbed or perceived by

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the constant roads inside our eyes which

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are then transmitted and interpreted by

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your brain you know they give us you

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know the impression of greenness but

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that is not really what power may be you

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know a butterfly which is capable of

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seeing in ultraviolet that is not how

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and waterfalls will see the grass and

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which one is a more valid model of the

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world you know the human model of the

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current grass green grass of the

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butterflies that's a lot to think about

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well you know a lot of things just you

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like our social constructs or certainly

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you know it's just it's just the fact

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that we agree with the ideas that the

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people around us now I don't know if I

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can extend that to our you know our

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physical environment and you know some

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people believe it was all a big hologram

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but you

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indefinitely our social yeah our bodies

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and minds in a way are there like water

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shape you know and just just think of

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the astronauts bodies in space you know

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we're built to work in a certain

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environment certain conditions and you

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remove that and we don't always do so

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well yeah we are also constrained by all

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the social constructs we we pretend that

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are so important you know like for

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on a map you know I mean the idea of the

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nation-state is completely you know a

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fabrication of our society rights no

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realer than I don't know a cartoon you

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like banks or something like that you

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know we we impinged upon them so so much

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really you know fabrications you know it

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may be if we come and decided to that

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you know banks no longer matter you know

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they've been pouring in even though they

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know that we were immersed with the

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recording session Kurt you've got some

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more questions to move on yeah we've got

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one here from a new poster using the

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name Jean Lyon Berg and it's a big

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thought to pour the little question and

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I kind of wish that we had a Stan

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Friedman answer for this but but let's

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see if we can do this first of all his

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premise is I would like to pause with

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the lack of extraterrestrial virus

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pandemic as proof positive that alien

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craft has never visited the earth I'll

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let that sink in for a minute

2862
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you know we'd since we haven't all died

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off from alien virus that means they

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haven't come he says in fact if alien

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visitation was was as rampant as some

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say then either extraterrestrials or

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human visitors from the futures with the

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same virus as we have or they are simply

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higher strange earth-based events caused

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by pan-dimensional subterranean earth

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dwellers I'd like to get your thoughts

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on this statement well let's entertain

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the possibility that you Fonuts are time

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travelers from the future they will

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still have different viruses and

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different everyday response to our our

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own viruses no live let's remember what

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happened in my own country Mexico 500

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years ago when the Spanish conquistadors

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skin and you know they the Nazi

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population was completely unprepared for

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the type of and viruses and bacteria

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that they were carrying with them you

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know they haven't developed the the

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proper and natural defenses so what

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02:17:05,780 --> 02:17:02,370
happened you know in less than ten

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02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:05,790
twenty years there was a complete and

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almost a complete die-off of the

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population you know I think they were

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like 20 million

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Navitus in Mexico before the arrival of

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the Spaniards i bided that by the end of

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the conquest there were less than 2

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million you know and they didn't die

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because the complete the doors you know

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kill them no in warper they die because

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there are office the exposure to

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smallpox so even if you had someone

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coming from as little as 50 years from

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the future I think that will have a real

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problem and fending off from the virus

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and bacteria than are running freely in

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our environment you know now we have

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mentioned so many sci-fi movies you know

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let's mention one one of them older of

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my favorite ones you know twelve Monkeys

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and which you have the name of the name

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of this actor Bruce Willis was an

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original movie yeah and you have Bruce

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Willis you know injecting himself with

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all these kind of things before exposing

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his himself to the surface world which

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had been you know compared left by the

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humans with that had to escape to the

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underworld because of his like pandemic

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that had been carried out you know less

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than 20 years ago

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so I don't know if she's and these and

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Baraka's posters you know speculation is

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that valid you know I think even if we

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were talking about time travelers maybe

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if those time travelers were I don't

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know a Androids

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or you know machines with some kind of

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synthetic body may well maybe that will

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you know solve the problem of exposing

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themselves to dangerous terrestrial

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microbes are you say easy answer is if

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they were all ancient aliens they would

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come for so long now we're just immune

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to it so that would be the easy solution

2932
02:19:23,350 --> 02:19:19,620
there but personally I don't mind we had

2933
02:19:26,320 --> 02:19:23,360
a question here from silly rabbit

2934
02:19:28,900 --> 02:19:26,330
a book into the one we asked about your

2935
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on yes or your greatest influence this

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one is more about about newer newer

2937
02:19:35,081 --> 02:19:33,080
things what are your what are some of

2938
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:35,091
the best paranormal alternative books

2939
02:19:39,970 --> 02:19:37,850
and films or anything else released in

2940
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the past five years selections that

2941
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offer new insights or demonstrate that

2942
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someone somewhere is trying to move the

2943
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:47,600
field forward that's a good question

2944
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in terms of appeal I think that the

2945
02:19:57,430 --> 02:19:53,870
documentary me roschmann is really

2946
02:20:00,640 --> 02:19:57,440
excellent and you know should be seen by

2947
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everyone interested in this topic you

2948
02:20:08,501 --> 02:20:04,641
know and of course mark Pilkington and

2949
02:20:11,591 --> 02:20:08,511
our friend Greg Bishop to appear yeah so

2950
02:20:14,171 --> 02:20:11,601
mark Pilkington's me ROG man you know

2951
02:20:17,020 --> 02:20:14,181
his documentary is really excellent and

2952
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from that you know I will go to Greg

2953
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bishops project beta also you know I

2954
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:24,021
mean every any book written by a Nick

2955
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:25,610
Redfern you know and there you will have

2956
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you know I think spend years trying to

2957
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catch up with me I think is the most

2958
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prolific writer in this field ever you

2959
02:20:39,450 --> 02:20:37,960
know I think that by the time this

2960
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[Music]

2961
02:20:46,570 --> 02:20:42,051
recording is over he might have finished

2962
02:20:48,581 --> 02:20:46,580
another book from Nick I think final

2963
02:20:49,810 --> 02:20:48,591
events is one of my favorite favorites

2964
02:20:53,200 --> 02:20:49,820
you know it's also very interesting

2965
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:53,210
because you know he discusses and the

2966
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idea that groups within the US

2967
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government had moved away from the ETH

2968
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:04,341
and entertain fringe your explanations

2969
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:07,040
for for the UFO phenomena you know so

2970
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that's that's that that's what that

2971
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:12,080
particular book stands out and well

2972
02:21:16,501 --> 02:21:14,210
there's also max toniest crypto

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02:21:21,220 --> 02:21:16,511
terrestrial you know it's very short

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unfortunately I think that and Mac left

2975
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the manuscript unfinished but

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nevertheless I think that it should be

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picked out by by people interested in

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the in the topic you know because he he

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was very very eloquent she was very a

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capable

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expressing very very complex ideas you

2982
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know very succinctly very clear clearly

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and you know in the crypto terrestrial

2984
02:21:51,700 --> 02:21:49,790
is really a thought experiment because I

2985
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don't think that knack was really you

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know that invested in thinking that the

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02:22:02,290 --> 02:21:59,240
UFO were you know crypto terrestrial

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living in the caverns of of our planet

2989
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but as a thought experiment is still

2990
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very very very provoking and and and and

2991
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well it's it's really one of the best

2992
02:22:19,780 --> 02:22:16,399
books that I had surfaced in the last I

2993
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don't know ten years and there is a book

2994
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one book that I'm really looking forward

2995
02:22:30,070 --> 02:22:26,990
to let me also mention another one

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02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:30,080
Joshua cutcenes a Trojan beast I don't

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know if you guys have heard of it or

2998
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even read it by now what's the name of

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the book again a trojan beast oh I've

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heard of that yeah and Josh watt would

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be an excellent guest on the podcast

3002
02:22:52,300 --> 02:22:49,750
we'll compare notes later okay well

3003
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that's one book that has already been

3004
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published a book that is about to be

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published is Michael Ellen's book about

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his research into owls and how somehow

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are linked with the UFO and alien

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encounter you know that's one book I'm

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really really looking forward to reading

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in the future hopefully not too long in

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the future you know hopefully Mike would

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be able to finish the manuscript

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this year Mike did send me some messages

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and Facebook asked me a few questions so

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maybe in some very miniscule way I'm

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helping him in his research I hope I am

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but we're looking forward to it I did

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read something about the cover being

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available already I said I'm really

3020
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looking forward to that book there is a

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lot of fascinating work there if you go

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beyond the core UFOs or spaceships we

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want disclosure that kind of stuff and

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you try to take

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to the next level you're gonna find out

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that there's a lot of interesting work

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being done in this field this is an

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example this episode with red pill junky

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Chris O'Brien is off this week had an

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emergency to attend to he'll tell you

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about later

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we have kurt collins as a guest co-host

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he was recently with the roswell slides

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research group he studied the cash

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Landrum case he's done a lot of really

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interesting UFO research and also Jim

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Mosely dot-com we didn't mention that

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yeah while what's happening with that

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well we're hoping to get some more

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submissions and photos and it was from

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people at Rick hilberg who were around

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with him with the conventions in the old

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days has supplied an article or two and

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some photos so we're hoping for some

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more a great historical material like

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that you know we thought if anyone

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corresponding with them and has an

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article or or you know some letters or

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something like that they'd like to share

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we could you know some really good

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material up there you know Jim was he

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was on the very first pair of cast show

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and in fact I got to know him from being

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on the show

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you know so you know thank you gene for

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having him on as often as you did he it

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was a treasure and a gift to you follow

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gee well he was one of my best friends

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ever we spent a lot of time talking over

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the years and it was really sad to know

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that his time was short but we did get

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him on the show like a few months before

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he dies so we had that added advantage

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so it's Jim Mosely calm and it's

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something that I set up on our web

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server as a matter of fact and then Kurt

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agreed to manage it and do all the heavy

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lifting that's coming together really

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well and you'll learn about one of the

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most incredible people in the UFO field

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02:30:40,610 --> 02:30:37,950
speaking of incredible people we also

3196
02:30:42,230 --> 02:30:40,620
had red pill junky with us and this is

3197
02:30:43,970 --> 02:30:42,240
our final segment with him at least this

3198
02:30:46,580 --> 02:30:43,980
time we have any more questions left

3199
02:30:48,680 --> 02:30:46,590
there are a few you know there was I

3200
02:30:50,930 --> 02:30:48,690
think there was uh there was kind of

3201
02:30:51,740 --> 02:30:50,940
another part to one we were just on and

3202
02:30:53,180 --> 02:30:51,750
that was about

3203
02:30:54,680 --> 02:30:53,190
we should really kind

3204
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:54,690
talk about you know some of the the

3205
02:30:57,770 --> 02:30:56,250
people with blogs and things like that

3206
02:31:00,350 --> 02:30:57,780
you know some because not all the

3207
02:31:03,081 --> 02:31:00,360
thinking is is being published or put in

3208
02:31:05,150 --> 02:31:03,091
the film so I Miguel did you have anyone

3209
02:31:07,640 --> 02:31:05,160
else that did that you thought was doing

3210
02:31:09,950 --> 02:31:07,650
interesting or inspiring work yeah thank

3211
02:31:13,430 --> 02:31:09,960
because because I was hating myself for

3212
02:31:16,251 --> 02:31:13,440
forgetting and my cosmic compadre Micah

3213
02:31:19,551 --> 02:31:16,261
Hanks you know which is most excellent

3214
02:31:22,581 --> 02:31:19,561
book or alien report love and also radio

3215
02:31:24,770 --> 02:31:22,591
show and also I really like Micah's

3216
02:31:27,470 --> 02:31:24,780
books particularly he put his first one

3217
02:31:29,511 --> 02:31:27,480
magic mysticism and the molecule and

3218
02:31:32,751 --> 02:31:29,521
also we should mention a Robbie Graham

3219
02:31:35,810 --> 02:31:32,761
you know who who is about to publish his

3220
02:31:38,091 --> 02:31:35,820
book silver screen saucers which i think

3221
02:31:40,070 --> 02:31:38,101
is going to be really really interested

3222
02:31:43,820 --> 02:31:40,080
because he's going to explore how a

3223
02:31:46,970 --> 02:31:43,830
cinema has been very interesting

3224
02:31:49,671 --> 02:31:46,980
cross-pollination with a beautiful

3225
02:31:52,610 --> 02:31:49,681
phenomena you know how the UFO phenomena

3226
02:31:55,400 --> 02:31:52,620
seems to have influenced and the

3227
02:31:58,220 --> 02:31:55,410
Hollywood view of UFOs instead of what

3228
02:32:00,711 --> 02:31:58,230
they skeptics think that the Hollywood

3229
02:32:03,950 --> 02:32:00,721
movies are the way in which people you

3230
02:32:05,780 --> 02:32:03,960
know interpret phenomena like Close

3231
02:32:06,411 --> 02:32:05,790
Encounters of the Third Kind yeah

3232
02:32:08,871 --> 02:32:06,421
exactly

3233
02:32:11,150 --> 02:32:08,881
or even Day the Earth Stood Still that

3234
02:32:13,070 --> 02:32:11,160
influence the contactees calling you

3235
02:32:16,211 --> 02:32:13,080
have the direction yeah and it seemed

3236
02:32:19,461 --> 02:32:16,221
that the CIA had something to do the

3237
02:32:21,140 --> 02:32:19,471
production of that particular the

3238
02:32:24,350 --> 02:32:21,150
original Day the Earth Stood Still the

3239
02:32:26,810 --> 02:32:24,360
CIA has something to do with that yeah I

3240
02:32:29,751 --> 02:32:26,820
think you might have to have a Robbie to

3241
02:32:32,600 --> 02:32:29,761
explain it but it seems that some of the

3242
02:32:35,631 --> 02:32:32,610
people writing the script you know

3243
02:32:38,331 --> 02:32:35,641
wearing ball we've been with the CIA and

3244
02:32:42,591 --> 02:32:38,341
that's why for example they wanted to

3245
02:32:44,480 --> 02:32:42,601
give it a level of authenticity in the

3246
02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:44,490
in the first part of the movie we you

3247
02:32:52,011 --> 02:32:48,240
know when you see all the the newsreel

3248
02:32:53,900 --> 02:32:52,021
you know the showing the landing of the

3249
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:53,910
saucer you know and then they they show

3250
02:32:57,650 --> 02:32:56,250
you know maybe people speaking in

3251
02:33:00,051 --> 02:32:57,660
English and then maybe speaking in

3252
02:33:02,270 --> 02:33:00,061
Spanish you know and that I think that

3253
02:33:06,600 --> 02:33:02,280
was something that was suggested by

3254
02:33:09,541 --> 02:33:06,610
someone who had closed

3255
02:33:12,660 --> 02:33:09,551
CIA well that's a very common thing by

3256
02:33:15,720 --> 02:33:12,670
the way having et send a message and the

3257
02:33:18,751 --> 02:33:15,730
message is presented in the indigenous

3258
02:33:21,091 --> 02:33:18,761
language earth vs. the flying saucers

3259
02:33:23,581 --> 02:33:21,101
did that were he's communicating the

3260
02:33:25,530 --> 02:33:23,591
alien people of Earth attention and you

3261
02:33:28,530 --> 02:33:25,540
heard in different languages or for

3262
02:33:30,680 --> 02:33:28,540
example even more recently 2013 the

3263
02:33:34,081 --> 02:33:30,690
movie Man of Steel does Superman with

3264
02:33:36,961 --> 02:33:34,091
General Zod comes to earth and he sends

3265
02:33:40,801 --> 02:33:36,971
a warning to earth people in all the

3266
02:33:43,020 --> 02:33:40,811
languages asking for them to stop

3267
02:33:44,881 --> 02:33:43,030
harboring the alien kal-el which of

3268
02:33:48,060 --> 02:33:44,891
course is Superman's birthday

3269
02:33:52,140 --> 02:33:48,070
you know what that reminded me of of

3270
02:33:54,600 --> 02:33:52,150
that the famous real own interruption of

3271
02:33:58,430 --> 02:33:54,610
that British new service you know

3272
02:34:01,801 --> 02:33:58,440
breelan from the ashtar command and that

3273
02:34:04,680 --> 02:34:01,811
there was this static and then the the

3274
02:34:07,440 --> 02:34:04,690
message from this alleged alien entity I

3275
02:34:09,690 --> 02:34:07,450
think that maybe the people within

3276
02:34:12,120 --> 02:34:09,700
behind the production of Manistee got

3277
02:34:14,761 --> 02:34:12,130
inspiration from that well of them use

3278
02:34:17,310 --> 02:34:14,771
real books or pop culture to try to

3279
02:34:19,890 --> 02:34:17,320
influence these things yeah

3280
02:34:21,841 --> 02:34:19,900
that's something that that you know just

3281
02:34:24,421 --> 02:34:21,851
like Megan was talking about Romney's

3282
02:34:26,100 --> 02:34:24,431
working and his blog and I think this

3283
02:34:29,011 --> 02:34:26,110
will be going in his books and it's

3284
02:34:31,261 --> 02:34:29,021
interesting how the the UFO ideas go

3285
02:34:33,211 --> 02:34:31,271
into the films and then the films and

3286
02:34:35,100 --> 02:34:33,221
the infancy it's sort of a cycle you

3287
02:34:36,541 --> 02:34:35,110
know it influences people it certainly

3288
02:34:38,551 --> 02:34:36,551
influences our understanding of

3289
02:34:40,831 --> 02:34:38,561
perception I think that's the movies I

3290
02:34:42,780 --> 02:34:40,841
think are so much why they did the

3291
02:34:46,291 --> 02:34:42,790
fifties notion of the metal ships with

3292
02:34:48,751 --> 02:34:46,301
Lois basement is is unshakable in the

3293
02:34:50,341 --> 02:34:48,761
public consciousness if John collee had

3294
02:34:52,831 --> 02:34:50,351
gotten there first we might have had a

3295
02:34:54,211 --> 02:34:52,841
different notion and understanding well

3296
02:34:55,860 --> 02:34:54,221
of course it was different in the movie

3297
02:34:59,341 --> 02:34:55,870
contact as I mentioned earlier that's

3298
02:35:02,751 --> 02:34:59,351
yeah that's in the minority so often it

3299
02:35:05,430 --> 02:35:02,761
it's you know the the inter-dimensional

3300
02:35:08,850 --> 02:35:05,440
notion has been very unrepresented you

3301
02:35:10,980 --> 02:35:08,860
know underrepresented in film of course

3302
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:10,990
some people just don't think associate

3303
02:35:14,301 --> 02:35:12,730
that with UFOs at all I guess they

3304
02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:14,311
consider that more apparent

3305
02:35:18,180 --> 02:35:16,570
well you of the thing is here that we

3306
02:35:21,720 --> 02:35:18,190
want to look at et is something

3307
02:35:23,400 --> 02:35:21,730
resembling us mostly maybe having horns

3308
02:35:25,591 --> 02:35:23,410
in their head or ridges on their head or

3309
02:35:26,580 --> 02:35:25,601
something like that or maybe looking

3310
02:35:28,860 --> 02:35:26,590
like Klingons

3311
02:35:30,570 --> 02:35:28,870
or maybe looking like Romulans in other

3312
02:35:33,750 --> 02:35:30,580
words close enough the ears are

3313
02:35:37,170 --> 02:35:33,760
different the face is elongated or

3314
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:37,180
squared but they're still human positing

3315
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:39,040
that if there's other life in the

3316
02:35:45,690 --> 02:35:42,010
universe advanced life most of the time

3317
02:35:48,390 --> 02:35:45,700
it will be humanoid the height of

3318
02:35:50,761 --> 02:35:48,400
egotistical behavior except of course in

3319
02:35:52,860 --> 02:35:50,771
Star Trek they did encounter beings who

3320
02:35:54,900 --> 02:35:52,870
were thought beings beings who look

3321
02:35:55,500 --> 02:35:54,910
totally different beings who look like

3322
02:36:04,110 --> 02:35:55,510
us

3323
02:36:06,120 --> 02:36:04,120
appearance you know oh we have a very

3324
02:36:07,620 --> 02:36:06,130
good mind-bending question here which

3325
02:36:09,091 --> 02:36:07,630
takes us kind of back to some of the

3326
02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:09,101
things we were talking about earlier

3327
02:36:14,700 --> 02:36:12,970
this from Bluto 392 Viper has to be a

3328
02:36:17,011 --> 02:36:14,710
short answer because we're almost half

3329
02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:17,021
time but let's go with oh no okay well

3330
02:36:23,100 --> 02:36:18,970
let me see let me see here if we have

3331
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:23,110
something that's more digestible oh well

3332
02:36:29,640 --> 02:36:25,530
this one this one is a good one to

3333
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:29,650
Miguel what is it that causes you to

3334
02:36:35,940 --> 02:36:31,930
continue to be past passionate and

3335
02:36:37,740 --> 02:36:35,950
imaginative about the phenomenon keep

3336
02:36:39,540 --> 02:36:37,750
the question - about the 30 second

3337
02:36:41,580 --> 02:36:39,550
answer okay Miguel I don't know it's

3338
02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:41,590
like in the movie The Matrix you know

3339
02:36:45,810 --> 02:36:44,290
that splinter in your mind driving you

3340
02:36:49,290 --> 02:36:45,820
mad you know there's something that

3341
02:36:51,540 --> 02:36:49,300
moves people that we are in this field

3342
02:36:53,160 --> 02:36:51,550
to move forward I'll keep asking the

3343
02:36:55,560 --> 02:36:53,170
question you know maybe there is like

3344
02:36:57,330 --> 02:36:55,570
something like says you know a sense of

3345
02:37:00,150 --> 02:36:57,340
purpose that maybe we are being driven

3346
02:37:01,740 --> 02:37:00,160
by an outside force I don't know why an

3347
02:37:03,091 --> 02:37:01,750
answer Kurt Collins where can our

3348
02:37:06,990 --> 02:37:03,101
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3349
02:37:10,020 --> 02:37:07,000
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3350
02:37:13,140 --> 02:37:10,030
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3351
02:37:16,500 --> 02:37:13,150
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3352
02:37:19,770 --> 02:37:16,510
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3353
02:37:23,310 --> 02:37:19,780
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3354
02:37:26,670 --> 02:37:23,320
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3355
02:37:27,450 --> 02:37:26,680
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3357
02:37:33,420 --> 02:37:30,520
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3358
02:37:36,990 --> 02:37:33,430
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3382
02:38:40,980 --> 02:38:37,900
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3383
02:38:43,500 --> 02:38:40,990
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3384
02:38:46,170 --> 02:38:43,510
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3385
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